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In Responce to Sagitta Capella:

This poem was inspired by two things. One was a poet at a spoken word contest that spoke about how he'll never sit back and complain about how bad life is when there are many people more unfortunate than he and how he was grateful for what he had.

But the other and most promanent piece of incpiration was an internet cartoon entitled "Little Goth Girl: Open Mic Nite" in which the title character's boo-ed off stage and kicked out of a Goth nightclub because her poem is too chearful and she "will never understand the darkness" as they do. To which she muses "didn't anyone ever tell tham that it's only in darkness you can see the stars?"

There were lot of other things that went into it of course, but those were the things that got the ball rolling. Glad you liked it.

~ Cunning Coyote

I am just wondering: where did the inspiration for this come from?

It's a good poem and it's very well written, but where did you think of it!

Very dark...very mysterious...very good...

sagitta capella

thats a very kick ** thing...lovin it...makes you think about how true it is...

you say "how could you go on How could anyone" so why are you still here? if you believe what you wright do the world a favor and your and free your self from your pain and suffering. whats your point in living if there no hope and no love. i don't care how you do it. just get it over with so the world can be free form your ignorance

du weiss du liebest es mich zu hassen

Hi, Rio... I decided to review this because... well... mostly because of the one person who reviewed you to defend Goths... I have something to say:

TECHNICALLY no one around here is Gothic because the true Goths came from the Gothic era and they had rather lovely architecture. I don't know much about them besides it being an era in history, in Europe only, I think. It might even just be the architecture and artwork that defined the era...

Well, we shall look it up in the dictionary and learn, shan’t we?

Oxford's Dictionary:

Goth >noun 1 a member of a Germanic people that invaded the Roman Empire between the 3rd and 5th centuries. 2 (goth) a style of rock music typically having apocalyptic or mystical lyrics. 3 a member of a subculture favoring black clothing and goth music. -ORIGIN Greek Gothoi, from Gothic.

Gothic >adjective 1 relating to the ancient Goths or their extinct language. 2 of the style of architecture prevalent in western Europe in the 12th-16th centuries, characterized by pointed arches and elaborate tracery. 3 portentously gloomy or horrifying. 4 (of lettering) derived from the angular style of handwriting with broad vertical downstrokes used in medieval western Europe. >noun 1 the language of the Goths. 2 Gothic architecture. -DERIVATIVES Gothicism >noun.

Now, definitions Two and Three of Goth are prevalent in the stereotypical Goth, only definition four of Gothic is prevalent in the stereotypical Gothic lifestyle. Let's look at them...

"Apocalyptic or mystical lyrics" Hm... well, they sound mystical on the surface, now, don't they? I, personally, find the lyrics cynical and unoriginal.

"Favoring black clothing and goth music" Sounds like the stereotypical goth to me.

"Portentously gloomy or horrifying" TRUE! And bound to be hilarious somewhere in there.

Rio, I believe you have perfectly portrayed the people who usurp the word "Goth" and should be awarded! Once again I am impressed by your poetry. I'm also very glad you wrote this as I am the... what was it? Uneducated? Yes, I’m the kind of uneducated person who likes to ignore the bad side of life, because to brood on the bad side of life is to almost completely ignore the good side. Yes, there IS pain in life, but without pain we wouldn't have any measurement to know what good is. I know this isn't a forum, but I must share my opinion to this person who is too high and mighty and intelligent to appreciate your poetry.

First, I would like to say that, YES, I AM aware that my grammar is terrible, BUT at least I use proper spacing. Now that I have gotten that bit of nonsense off of my chest I would like to regale the people here over how ignorant people can get.

"I am the kind of person who talks to EVERYONE... I don’t put labels and hate others because they aren’t Goth like me... I have friends who are Jocks, Black, Mexican, Hippies, Gay, Bi, Lesbian."

Is that to insinuate that goths are the only people who do so? I am one of those uneducated people that likes to shrug off the bad side of things... I have many friends and try to be friends with everyone. I don’t know what “groups” my friends would fit into because I don’t care enough to group people into any group. I only stereotype one group: extremists, because I believe there is a scale with three basic groups (not the only, just the basic): Extremists, Neutral, and Moderate. Is that uneducated?

“This poem that you wrote placed the image on you to be the type who fears those who are different from you... I’m not saying you are like that but that’s the message I got from this... I strongly advise that you really get to know others before you judge them on a stereotype...”Hm... well, there’s a flaw in your reasoning.

Oxford’s Dictionary:

satire >noun 1 the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices. 2 a play, novel, etc. using satire. 3 (in Latin literature) a literary miscellany, especially a poem ridiculing prevalent vices or follies. -DERIVATIVES satirist >noun. -ORIGIN Latin satira 'poetic medley'

Note the word “exaggeration,” it’s important here. This poem, being a use of satire and irony to voice her disagreement with the fundamental belief of “goth” behavior in contemporary times. This fundamental belief being the focus of the negative side of life - not a complete obsession, I know, but for the sake of argument. Her poem picks out one characteristic that she disagrees with and exaggerates it to prove a point or to simply entertain or to “speak her mind.”

“Like you described in your poem, we may look at the world as nothing but sheer darkness... well that’s because it’s everywhere... the little child you mentioned in the end... we see that... we know that everything could be worse like that little child and we do feel for that little one. Every where you look there is hatred, poverty, sadness, killing, suffering, death, lies, greed...it’s all there.”Yes, but, everywhere you look there is love, wealth (of mind, soul, body, and coin), happiness, life, contentment, truth, selflessness, laughter - it’s all there, too. Darkness is everywhere, but so is light. Evil exists, but so does goodness. Some people may exist with more darkness in their lives, but others exist with more light in their lives. This may not be fair, I know already, but think: the one with more darkness is more effected by the light, while the one with more light can be deeply crushed by the darkness.

Some people just can’t take the sorrow, and so they focus on it - soon, they obsess over it. They may secretly cry in the night, or harm themselves, or seek something to ease the pain that exists in themselves. The pain is in their own making. Laughter is called the best medicine for a reason - because it heals the soul from darkness. I may sound idealistic and preachy, but, to me, you sound as ignorant as you think I am. I may BE idealistic and preachy, but I love life and most of the people in it - there’s no accounting for some people who simply can’t stop whining or people who can’t shrug off the darkness in life.

I’m not sorry if I came off sounding rude, I’m not sorry if anyone obsessed with the darkness and negative things in life was offended. *I* was offended by being called uneducated. At least I know how to use a bloody space bar, dammit! I wasn’t merely offended by your assault on SATIRE and in doing so, MY FRIEND, but your pathetic typing skills. Also, I could have rewritten your review better. By the way... something that has been irritating me:

“Outside image” not “Outside imagine.”

I just needed to speak MY mind.

Anyway, back to you, Rio... I think you should start submitting to legitimate publishers. You kick my poetry's ** so badly.

To be honest...this one actually offended me off. I’mnot writing this to blow smoke in your ear or be anasshole...I just really feel I need to speak out.First of all, I’m 17 and Goth. I’ve been Goth since Iwas about 13 or 14. And I know better then what youdescribed...What you said was the everyday stereotypethat I’ve seen and have had put on my image time andagain. Okay, sure, there are a lot of kids out therewho act like they got it so damn bad and all theyknow is darkness...that’s all **. Those are thetype of immature kids who are putting on an act toget attention...away from people and their friendsthey act normal...but out in the world they turn onthe act...I can spot someone like that a mile away.These are the kids who purposely act like jerks andcut themselves and talk about it the very next dayjust to get people to turn their heads...when inreality they’re just spoiled or ignorant.The real Goths that are out there, such as myself,see what goes on and do know what the world is reallyabout. Like you described in your poem, we may lookat the world as nothing but sheer darkness...wellthat’s because it’s everywhere...the little child youmentioned in the end...we see that...we know thateverything could be worse like that little child andwe do feel for that little one. Every where you lookthere is hatred, poverty, sadness, killing,suffering, death, lies, greed...it’s all there. Andhardly anyone truly puts out an effort to help whenthey can...and we see that. We may go against whatothers think, it’s because hardly anyone has theheart to go out of their way to help those who needit. We turn our backs on the mainstream because theytoo turn away from their fellow man. I’m not one who feels like I’m misunderstood orneglected by others...I’m and artist, I do love andlove to feel loved, I enjoy life...I have goals andplans for myself...I’m a very liberal person and Ifeel everyone should have a life and have theirrights...I don’t believe in fighting and war...I longto see peace in the world...a lot of us do, I havemany friends exactly like me who do. And we see thebetter parts of life...we understand them and livethem from time to time...but just because there canbe happiness in one half of life, doesn’t mean youshould shut out and ignore the other half thatcontains the hardships...those are the kind of peopleI see around me a lot of the time because they chooseto ignore it all...they are truly the ones who areuneducated about what happens in life around theworld...not us. I am the kind of person who talks to EVERYONE...Idon’t put labels and hate others because they aren’tGoth like me...I have friends who are Jocks, Black,Mexican, Hippies, Gay, BI, Lesbian. My best friend inthe world...her name is Becky...she and I are likesisters...and she’s the complete opposite ofme...she’s very girlie and looks preppy...but she andI get along great and we spend a lot of time out andaround town together. We may look beyond differentoutside but inside we have the same heart...this poemthat you wrote placed the image on you to be the typewho fears those who are different from you...I’m notsaying you are like that but that’s the message I gotfrom this...I strongly advise that you really get toknow others before you judge them on astereotype...you may know several kids who claim tobe Goth or look Goth...but an outside imagine isn’teverything...you may just know kids who are like whatI described in the beginning of this...outside theymay appear gothic...but they will never have the trueheart of someone who is...You may feel that every onewho wears black and chains and calls themselves Gothare the same in the way they think...we’ll I’m aperfect example to prove that that’s not true...But other then all that your poem was well written and youdo have the right to your own opinion...this is justsomething I feel very strongly about...if I offended you inany way I’m sorry...I just needed to speak my mind...

Original to a degree. Organization is true to an agruement too.

This is a great poem. I wonder how many of the goths on this website (and you KNOW there are a lot) are going to flame you because you point out the flaw in their lifestyle. Kudos, I loved it.

I liked this a lot. Usually I don't read poems this long but I'm glad I read this one. The whole thing just flowed together really well and you made your point very clearly. Nice job!