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So, this forum should be a place where people can relate the hierarchy of a schools social system. This is in part inspired by the awesome book Speak, in which the main character has her school divided into clans. I am part of the Social Deviant's. This is a euphamism for Pervert Group. Besides that, theres the other, more bizarre groups that me and ignominy (An author here) have yet to label. My lunch table is split into 2 sides, the straight side and the gay side. Guess which I sit on. We also have a guest seat, reserved for people that don't fit either. My friend, who we always say is bi, sits in the bi seat, and my other friend sits in the gay but can't be because family will kill him seat. It's all very complex. Feel free to explain yours...

#1 Oct 20th 2006, 5:09pm

Ashley Brook

I don't believe in cliques and labels. People are too complex to totally fit into just one.

#2 Oct 21st 2006, 1:23pm

That has to be one of the dumbest things I've heard done with a lunch table. Sexuality shouldn't matter, you guys should be considering each other regular people and not paying so much attention on whether or not you're gay, straight, or bi.

#3 Oct 21st 2006, 2:56pm

brokendreams21

Yeah...I must say. That has got to be one of the oddest things I've heard of in my life. Sure, people who have similar interests do hang out at my school, but nothing is restricted to cliques. At all. And no one cares about sexuality. It shouldn't matter.

#4 Oct 22nd 2006, 8:14am

Ok, first of all, I want to say that IT'S ALL A JOKE! None of them are actually bi or gay, and I don't care. They are my friends, which is all that matters. Perhaps you totally missed the point of this entire thing, because this is meant to be funny, and NOT, repeat NOT taken seriously. Sorry if any of you were totally WRONG in what you thought this was. It might be my fault. MIGHT. Anyway, I guess you all think this is a pretty dumb idea, don't you? I do not, but I only started it, and what I think hardly matters at this point, because you're all misunderstanding it anyway. Sexuality shouldn't and DOESN'T matter. I know all of my friends very well, and I pay attention to who they are, not who they sleep with, and am almost insulted by the idea that I care more about their preference than their personality.

Again sorry for any confusion.

#5 Oct 22nd 2006, 9:10am

Nonetheless, people make labels for everyone, and that is what I find so amazing about people, esp. teenagers. Most steryotypilize and group each other by factors, standards, and characteristics that they have made up themselves. That's my point. You're getting caught in the fundamentals. Cliques exist. They may not be right, and people in them may not fit with the factors, standards or characteristics of everyone else in that "group", but others put them their. It hardly matters if YOU don't believe in them, because others do. So to them, they exist, which makes them real to people. Most people, if not all, group certain people they know, as well as themselves. So, labels/cliques are real, if not to you, then the rest of the world.

#6 Oct 22nd 2006, 9:18am

Ok, first of all, I want to say that IT'S ALL A JOKE! Sorry if any of you were totally WRONG in what you thought this was. It might be my fault. MIGHT.

Should've said that somewhere up there, some people are serious like that. And we don't exactly know you so it's no one's fault here. You took it a little too personal.

#7 Oct 22nd 2006, 9:41am

Well, maybe I overeacted a little. Well, I guess I did. I keep forgetting that you don't know me at all. Sometimes, when total strangers say something, that I have strong feelings on, I take it to heart. (which I admit, it's kind of weird that I would have strong feelings on divisions in my lunch table that don't exist.) This is because I'm too opinionated for my own good.

#8 Oct 22nd 2006, 4:20pm

I disagree. It has been my experience that way too many people care way too much about sexuality. And, in my school, people just don't even go near people that aren't in their group. Is this uncommon?

But, on second thought, I suppose that groups cross. In certain subject areas, like music in my school, a number of different crowds are involved. I still don't go anywhere near them, because they are too different from me. And, they make fun of me because they say I am gay. Huh, no one cares about sexuality, but they torment people that they have decided are gay. Weird.

#9 Oct 22nd 2006, 4:29pm

And, they make fun of me because they say I am gay. Huh, no one cares about sexuality, but they torment people that they have decided are gay.

It probably depends on where you live and the kind of school you go to. It's almost rare that something like that would happen where I go to class & in my senior class. When it does happen the person talking the "**" is usually very insecure about their own sexuality that they feel uncomfortable to be around someone who is comfortable with theirs. It's more common to be happening with underclassmen rather than upperclassmen at my school. People will mature and get over that kind of thing eventually, it just takes time. Sorry to hear that they do that kind of thing to you, it's not fair. They're pretty pathetic.

#10 Oct 22nd 2006, 5:13pm

why isn't anyone talking about their cliques? you all must have one... unless you don't have any friends, but even then you must be labeled in some way, its human nature to label people, but anyway, if you're stuck on the idea that you don't have a clique then say something about other cliques tht annoy you or that you think are cool. For example- there is this one group that i used to be part of that i eventually seperated from, after i'd found another group and made other friends i realized that the group i had been in was universally hated and that i had mearly taken one step up the "popularity ladder"

now, i hate that ladder and dont give me any stuff on "the popularity ladder" doesn't exist cause it does although, now that i think about it, not to some people, but it exists to me although i try not to pay attention to it and no, it does not rule my life.

anyway, i want so see talking about stupid stuff your "group" has done together, or fun stuff that you think other groups shoud try (i'm trying to avoid the word clique as it seems to annoy people.) or things that other groups ridicule you for that you think they shouldn't (preps or goths for what they wear when that hardly makes a difference in their pesonality-or maybe it does- tell me why.)

and a note on the argument before, about how sexuality shouln't matter in a group, if the group it "perverts" like he said, then sexuality totally matters, its the basis of the group.

(sorry for such a lenghthy note)

*ignominy

#11 Oct 22nd 2006, 5:19pm . Edited Oct 22nd 2006, 5:21pm

also, like it was said "People are too complex to totally fit into just one." then talk about all the different cliques you fit into or the labels you hate or the ones you're comfortable with... keep in mind that no one wants to be ridiculed for the way they live their life (did i do that before? if so i'm sorry) people are WAY complex and we all know it, so talk about all the cliques or maybe (i'm having trouble thinking this could be) you're friends with everyone, how does that work for you?

*ignominy

#12 Oct 22nd 2006, 5:27pm

Well... in my group of friends, or at least the one I consider friends and not just acquaintances there's: the theif, the basketball player, the study-freak, and the person in band. I forget how we all met, but we've been friends since freshmen year. We actually don't have a lot in common but we're all friends.

#13 Oct 22nd 2006, 6:24pm

I'm not insecure about my sexuality at all. I know where I stand in my preference, and I'm damn proud of it, so your little phsycoanalysis is N/A. But, your right, in some aspects. My school is small, so in all of the grades, people know that I'm a little gay sometimes.

#14 Oct 23rd 2006, 9:25am

I'm not insecure about my sexuality at all. I know where I stand in my preference, and I'm damn proud of it, so your little phsycoanalysis is N/A

Yeah I wasn't calling you insecure I was saying the people who make fun of you were insecure...

#15 Oct 23rd 2006, 1:55pm

"When it does happen the person talking the "**" is usually very insecure about their own sexuality that"

No, you weren't. You were talking about me.

Anyway, we should stop arguing with each other and get to the point of this whole thing...

#16 Oct 23rd 2006, 2:27pm

i thoguht argueing was the whole point of "this thing". or at least part of it.

anyway, "person talking the "**" is usually very insecure about their own sexuality" it says TALKING intelligent designer not TAKING. McCaid is right. And i agree with that, the people TALKING the "**" are usually unsure about their "romance" issues. the people TAKING the "**" can go both ways, they can either be very secure in their sexuality or very insecure. then again, some people are just teasing or they're not sure whether the stuff their saying is true or not.

now, sexuality is not the point of "this thing" although i'm finding the conversation to be rather interesting.

#17 Oct 24th 2006, 10:18am

"Yeah I wasn't calling you insecure I was saying the people who make fun of you were insecure..."

yeah, and pathetic :)

#18 Oct 24th 2006, 10:19am

When it does happen the person talking the "**" is usually very insecure about their own sexuality that

Let me translate that.

"When it does happen" = when people do pick on people or whatever.

"Person talking '**'" = person making fun of someone.

It goes with the whole "if I accuse someone of being gay they won't suspect me." type theory insecure people tend to have.

That's what I was saying, I honestly was not talking about you. And I'm seriously not arguing with you. I'm clarifying what I said up there. I've had this discussion a few times during class.

#19 Oct 24th 2006, 3:05pm

Sorry, it appears I misread. I saw taking the **, not talking the **, so your right, I guess.

#20 Oct 24th 2006, 5:41pm

Why can't sexuality be the point of this thing? As far as i can, it damn well could be! (I'm a little too fond of the saying damn well.) Cliques are certainly divided by tat particular issue, and I also find the conversaton interesting, ignominy. And, yes, I read it wrong, and insulting people for being "gay" is usually a sign of insecurity or homophobia, which is also a sure sign youyr gay. As a friend of mine once said, (ignominy, you know this) "I'm not going to be friends with you anymore."

"Why not?"

"Cause your gay."

"So?"

"I'm afraid your going to feel me up...and that I'll like it."

#21 Oct 24th 2006, 5:48pm

wel, cliques arent ALWAYS divided that way, some people just don't care about sexuality or they think its boring or they dont know what it is, but yea, some of them are, like mine/ours for example.

#22 Oct 25th 2006, 5:23am

Yeah, I suppose ours is divided by sexuality, but not really.

#23 Oct 25th 2006, 1:06pm

i dont think DIVIDED is the right word... maybe just OBSESSED

#24 Oct 25th 2006, 3:28pm

I'm not obsessed, maybe you are, but I could care less. (Takes out sign that says, "I'm a hypocrite".)

Anyway, I think that this whole topic is a little overdiscussed. Can we move on?

Read anything good lately?

#25 Oct 26th 2006, 1:29pm

hahaha! good one, yea, *takes out permanant marker, grabs sign and adds "and a liar"*

i wasnt obsessed at the dance were you? *takes out bottle of dye and black pencil* muahahahaha.

*ignominy

#26 Oct 28th 2006, 7:09am

nno i havnt read anything good latly (or anything you would like... (anime) um... ask keito. (i can't believe i just said that!!!!) actually, the outsiders was pretty good, but its not somthing i would read normally though... watched some good disney movies latly? hahaha.

#27 Oct 28th 2006, 7:12am

Why, yes I have.

Anyway, The Outsiders was great! Like, Tony the Tiger great.

#28 Oct 29th 2006, 10:11am

i dont get it... tony the tiger is fake... and his cereal SUX. lol... keito wrote something, it should be up soon... i lost two of my poems but i'll find them, they'll be up soon.

#29 Oct 29th 2006, 10:31am

Microwrite

i don't know about that guest seat i think it would be filled up by know. and dosen't every one belong in all different types of clique. i don't think i belong to almost any except whom ever my girl friend at the times clique is, but i think i have found a nice or seming to be nice pevert clique like your's except there is no guss seat and only one of them are gay. i think.

#30 Oct 30th 2006, 3:02pm

Microman, your grammar sucks. Avoid talking for the rest of eterninty. It's one of the is gay, not are. I think you belong to my clique, micro, and yes, you're sitting in the guest seat. It has just moved from where it was.

Yeah, I agree. People belong to many different cliques. The point is for people to tell me about all of the ones that they're in.

#31 Nov 01st 2006, 2:24pm

hahahaha! you made a spelling error!!!!!

hahahaha!!!

i figured he was tring to hide his identity, you dolt, you're pretty good at messing that up. (glares) (just kidding *sheepish look*)

heehee...

ok i'm done.

i thought we were done with the concept of "cliques" weren't we talking about books?

#32 Nov 01st 2006, 3:12pm

ONE OF THEM IS GAY?

what about you microdude? aren't YOU gay? thats what i thought, am i wrong? maybe i heard wrong, weren't you JUST saying today... hold on... i forget. nevermind, ignore me. (hahaha, umbrella)

#33 Nov 01st 2006, 3:14pm

We are NEVER off the topic of cliques, I just wanted to start talking about something else...and yes...I...di-did make a spelling er-...error. OK? I SAID IT. HAPPY?

#34 Nov 02nd 2006, 2:04pm

Hahaha hm haven't I heard "I don't put labels on people" or "I don't fit into a clique" before...get over it people. Everyone are in cliques wether they want to or not. They are identified with something that they have in common with a group of other people. It's harsh to accept sometimes, but it's true. I on the other hand, am not in any group. No, that's right. I'm all by myself. I sit on on the stairs in my school, all alone, listening to Bullet For My Valentine and My Chemical Romance. I have grown out my fringe to hide the cutmarks on my brow. Okay, okay enough.

I don't really get the point of this whole subject. Are people supposed to talk about cliques (if so, why do you say you're not serious?!) and if not, wtf is THE POINT?

To be serious, there are several cliques at my school. My school is generally fit into a clique as well: The school for weirdoes. It's a school for culture-freaks, and no matter how the students are, they have art somewhere in their hearts. So the goths, punks, emos and other punk-inspired alternatives are MANY. They are the majority actually (I do fit in that cathegory too, somewhere...there...don't know exactly where on the spectrum cause I change styles a lot). There are also the Turks which are outcasts because they like to grope too much and have too much hairgel and talk with an intentionally ugly accent. There are also the normal people. We don't actually have geeks in the traditional sense, but some people are just more silent than others.

#35 Nov 06th 2006, 10:58am

Thank you for continuing the topic at hand.

Your school is messed up...sorry, but it's just a little strange to have one school with one giant culture freak clique. Where I live, there is no culture, its all farmland and cows and said animal's **.

Do you enjoy having this type of culture at your school? I mean, would you prefer it to the situation described above?...HaHa, just joking.

Anyway, the real reason we haven't really talked about what we meant to talk about is because me, ignominy, and microwrite all know each other...very well. (I've practically slept with one of them. Guess who.) And we go to the same school, so there is no point talking about what we already know. I'm not really in a traditional clique. But, In the pla ce I call s=chool, its divided into Preppy **/Furture Hookers of America R Us, Smart Girls, Outcasts, Perverts, amd Boys. Due to the ratio of buys to girls, 3-1, the Boys consist of the 20 guys left over after being absorbed by the other cliques, like mine and ignominy's.

Also, to continue the thread we were more or less along, does sexuality have any play in the devisions of your shcool? You didn't say.

#36 Nov 06th 2006, 2:20pm

WAHAHA well those cliques sound just like any other school. Most schools here are like that too...but mine. LOL Yeah I do like my school. I actually love my school. Why shouldn't I? Nothing bad with being culture freak. You hear lotsa music everywhere, see pretty clothes and art, people dance in the corridors or play theatre and you can pretend that the ones not doing it are doing it too XD Besides that, people just laze around everywhere and smoke (outdoors of course), yeah we're all lazy XD Kids, what can I say? There's also some amount of drama, but I keep away from it.

Sexuality...nope. I guess the turks don't hang out with gay people, but they don't hang out with anybody but the turks lol. It's not like one clique doesn't hang out with the other (except the turks). The punks are friends with goths, the goths with the industrials, the industrials with the normal people and so on, so no it's not clique based like that, and there is no "popular" group. Omg I really do believe that america IS like in the high school movies XDDDD

#37 Nov 06th 2006, 2:28pm

hey intelligent designer, did microdude type that message or what? learn to spell! about your school Limited Edition, i think that sounds amazing! "lotsa music everywhere, see pretty clothes and art, people dance in the corridors or play theatre and you can pretend that the ones not doing it are doing it too" that sounds so fun! i want to go to your school! I don't seem like it... well ever... but i'm a culture freak... all the different styles, colors, music (you mentioned that) lanugages, books! sigh, it amazes me. I'm a lanuage freak too. I think it's just spactacular that you can take a bunch of measly words and make amazingly discriptive sentances, just because of the meaning behind the words!

sigh, i hate when people don't share my passions. I always get weird looks...

#38 Nov 06th 2006, 2:52pm

then again, your school isnt divided by sexuality at ALL? that is so alien to me... my school is like... BURSTING with hormones. hahaha.

#39 Nov 06th 2006, 2:55pm

Tsk tsk I like language too yes. Sexuality...we DO have homosexuals. I'd dare say there are MANY many more **- and bisexuals in my school than all the other schools in my town together LOL but it's just the norm see?

Weird looks...yeah XD

#40 Nov 07th 2006, 3:22am

i didn't mean swear words... although those are great too... i meant different languages, foreign laguages, ect... or even just english...it amazes me. "...the oblivion of sleep was shattered by the caterwauling of some unknown..." hahaha... *inside joke* sorry. i actually hate when people do that, when thay say and inside joke and don't explain it... of course, most of the time its cause they know no one else will think its funny. and when you explain it, it never is. w/e

#41 Nov 07th 2006, 11:22am

Who said anything about swear words?!

No, no one ever thinks it is funny. And I can tell you one thing, only men say such stuff.

#42 Nov 07th 2006, 11:37am

No, ignominy, I share your passions! I would definetely enjoy going to a school like yours LE. I enjoy differences in life, and there aren't enough around here...

I do enjoy inside jokes, esp. when I'm in the inside. Language is my sole way of expressing myself, except for my body, which often says a lot. ;)

Sorry, I've got a one track mind, and it's all focused on Microman...

#43 Nov 07th 2006, 2:43pm

Such stuff as what?

#44 Nov 07th 2006, 2:45pm

Yeah, ignominy, our school is bursting with hormones, isn't it?

It is November Seventh, as yu may know, and I realized something else just now. All of the Preppy ** are Conservative Republicans...what does that mean? Of course, my group has got many different ideas on that, so I wonder if that has any play in division of groups. Social class does, I would think, and politics is divided by social class...so logically, it makes sense.

#45 Nov 07th 2006, 2:49pm

hey so i've just realized... yea just latly... that the preppy ** really truly are **. like really. and you know "the lovers" really are discusting. they shouldn't sit at our table they should get a room. and not just any room, a bedroom. (ha, when i just typed that i typed bathroom not bedroom hahaha) LE for your information, there is 2 ppl (boy and girl) that are going out are our table and they like, make out in front of us and its really discusting. and i don't think all the preppy ** are really republican at all i definitly think some of then are democratic. (haha donkeys) (of course theres elephants, which isn't a compliment either.) (you know that says a lot about politics, its all asses and fatties.) (hahaha) (i love talking to myself) (yea me too)

and yea right you share my passion... you may like talking but that doesn't mean your obsessed with the actual make up of it all. i mean its amazing how you can hear my condesending tone as i write this! haha! theres so much feeling! oh, dramadramadrama... (drama)

#46 Nov 07th 2006, 4:18pm

yea really, such stuff as what do guys say? i'm sure you're right, being female myself i am amazingly biased toward my own sex. (hahaha ID)

#47 Nov 07th 2006, 4:19pm

I don't just like talking, I love reading, and looking at phrases to understand them, c'mon, give me some credit. And tell me one preppy ** that's a democrat.

#48 Nov 08th 2006, 3:20pm . Edited Nov 09th 2006, 2:23pm

well i didn't want to mention names... which is why i didn't in my other entry... but moe for one... maggs for another... katie for 3 (actually i'm not sure about katie)

#49 Nov 08th 2006, 5:51pm