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Topic: Suggestions

If you have a suggestion regarding to improve The Review Game, or a suggestion on a topic to add to this forum, or something else entirely, please state it here. We are much interested in your ideas.

When you make a suggestion; please, I ask that you have thought this through! Give a detailed, thorough description of your suggestion. How would it work practically, why do we need to follow your suggestion, etc. For a suggestion to be desirable, it needs to work practically so tell how that would come to be.

Also: your suggestions cannot rely simply on mods. The ideal is the Review Game, which takes care of itself aside from mods needing to correct people doing it wrong every now and then.

#1 Nov 11th 2007, 10:15am . Edited Apr 26th, 1:02pm
Otseis Ragnarok
How about a topic to help authors improve their work? I kinda already made something like that on here alrady, but nobody seems interested...

What do you think of that idea?

BTW, Is it wierd to see me actually being serious?

#2 Jan 04th, 10:33am
Fractured Illusion
@Onar

I like the idea. Reminds me of my former topic over at RR, the one with titles and summary improvements. :P

Why it got so little attention, though? Hmm... Make the post a bit different. Like...simplyfy it. Maybe that will help (ie: "Is something in your writing troubling you? Come here and we'll try to help you out together!")

I see no problem with it. Point is, for a mass to come, ONE has to come. Sooo...we need a sacrifice...

*looks around*

BTW, Is it wierd to see me actually being serious?

No. Your writing is of the serious kind. An author is his work. I am not surprised at all. I shall yawn in your face to illustrate this. *yawns in Onar's face to illustrate this*

Har har.

@All-

Is it just me and Onar that like the idea, and you all others don't? If so, please state it.

If there is something wrong/unappealing with the current Story improvements topic, please also mention it!

^^

#3 Jan 04th, 1:00pm
Otseis Ragnarok
Make the post a bit different. Like...simplyfy it. Maybe that will help

Yeah... that's probably it...

Thanks for saving my self-esteem...

#4 Jan 04th, 2:31pm
Imalefty
yeah, i think it could just become a "help" topic... like... if someone needs help, he/she can request it and others can respond. that way, it's not like someone is getting unwanted help. :)

-Lefty

#5 Jan 04th, 2:35pm
Fractured Illusion
So, everyone. What is the conclusion? Will the topic be altered? Deleted and made anew? Hm?
#6 Jan 07th, 12:00pm
Narc
I'd almost say go as far to make different topics for different areas of story help. One for plot/character help and one for technical or stylistic aspects.

But yeah, it's a good idea.

#7 Jan 07th, 12:13pm
Fractured Illusion
But why divide? Maybe you need both. I mean, such a separation of the topic would require a popularity to form around the Story Improvements topic, that makes it necessary to divide it. But that popularity has yet to come.

So I ask; what's the point?

#8 Jan 07th, 12:46pm
Narc
I just feel that those are two very distinct areas, really. It would encourage people to ask more specific problems instead of just coming onto a 'story help' topic and asking something general like 'how do I make my story better?'.
#9 Jan 07th, 1:17pm
Fractured Illusion
Well, I do agree that the person should be specific about what they want help in/what area, but that does not completely justify two separate topics.

Or does it?

Anyone else with an input? One opinion versus another won't show everyone's views correctly ^^;

On another note..

NEW SUGGESTION

Should there be another "Review Titles/Summaries" thread over here too? RR is quite dead and people won't really look there no more for any help. Yet I do not know...is there even a need for it?

*mixed feelings*

#10 Jan 07th, 1:22pm
Imalefty
well, i guess i half agree with both of you, which is kind of... not helpful, but here goes...

i agree with frac that we don't necessarily need two seperate topics. however, this would only work if the participants were very specific in what they need help with...

so, i agree with narc that two seperate topics would help with narrowing down the advice. and those two topics are very different aspects of a piece, so i guess it would be a nice way to split them up. also, people who are only "good" at one thing can freely participate in the topic that best suits them.

and as for a titles/summaries topic... i mean, i guess you could make it. i got some good info from the review revolution's topic... but i never really used it myself. i guess others use it, though, so that could be good. :) generally with titles/summaries, i try to think of what would catch my interest as a reader.

oh, and frac... do you think you should flag the actual review game topics? is it necessary?

-Lefty

#11 Jan 07th, 7:22pm
Fractured Illusion
@Story Improvements

Well, then we specify in the FIRST post that the person that needs help NEEDS to tell what area they want help in. And then whoever that can answer, will answer.

@Titles and Summary Topic

Hmm...Well, as the request does not seem that big at the moment, I will hold it off ^^

@Flagging Review Games

I thought about this at first, but then I figured that the Read This First! topic would be less apparent to the eyes, and less glaringly obvious to read. That was my only concern to NOT flag them (also, we didn't have that many topics to confuse them with or something).

I have a dislike for seeing too many flagged topics ^^; So I am biased on this one.

PEOPLE, CAST YOUR VOTES!

Otherwise I will rule this site however *I* want it. Mawahahahah!

*suddenly forgets lefty*

*goes to change Onar's topic so it is more according to what us ladies decided :P *

#12 Jan 08th, 3:35am
Otseis Ragnarok
Here are my thoughts:

specify in the FIRST post that the person that needs help NEEDS to tell what area they want help in. And then whoever that can answer, will answer.

I like that idea. Two topics seem a little bit excessive, so one would be fine for now. If the one gets backed-up, we can always create another...

Also, goes to change Onar's topic so it is more according to what us ladies decided

WTF? So you're it's mamma now?

... and I'm the daddy?

...

...

We're it's parents? But we didn't even....

awww....

#13 Jan 08th, 10:26am
Fractured Illusion
*le sigh*

This is just like you, Onar! You finally get some action, but what do you do?! You're unconscious through it all! *grr*

I'm going back to Lefty now! Hmpf!

I like that idea. Two topics seem a little bit excessive, so one would be fine for now. If the one gets backed-up, we can always create another...

Yay, score 1 to Frac's side!

#14 Jan 08th, 11:01am
Otseis Ragnarok
This is just like you, Onar! You finally get some action, but what do you do?! You're unconscious through it all! *grr*

It's not my fault you're no good at it... If you had REAL skill, I would've woken up...

#15 Jan 08th, 11:21am
Imalefty
...what? XD

there is no daddy... i don't think. XD there was an OBGYN, though, i'm sure.

-Lefty

#16 Jan 08th, 5:10pm
Otseis Ragnarok
You deny my input? But I...

I Fathered it! I put my seed in here, and y'all act like I'm nothing...

Fine! But don't expect any child support from this one!

#17 Jan 09th, 4:37am
Fractured Illusion
SUGGESTION:

As a way to advertise, should we make it a requirement that when people review in the review game, they state on the first line (that is to be an entire paragraph) that the review comes from the Review Game?

Ie:

"Heya, from the Review Game!

blablabla"

#18 Jan 13th, 6:15am
Narc
I don't like that as a rule. I think it's fine if people want to include that, and many do, but personally I feel like I'm telling the author and everyone else who reads the review that I only reviewed their story because of a game, not because I actually liked the story.
#19 Jan 13th, 6:24am
Fractured Illusion
But that is the review game. You reviewed because of the game. If someone reviews a story they like, it is only a plus. O_o

Why try to come off as something we're not? This is a place to come if you want opinions on your story, good or bad, that you wouldnt have gotten otherwise.

I was just thinking of this, since we did it in the Review Revolution.

#20 Jan 13th, 6:28am
KnittingKneedle
I suppose it might be a good way to generate more publicity...though I don't know if it should be a rule (I'd probably forget anyway!)
#21 Jan 13th, 7:09am
Imalefty
i include it only because i want the writer to know that their request for the review game has been filled. i want them to know that i found them on the review game and have now satisfied the request. it's not like i DON'T like their story - i read it, after all. (i generally don't finish stories i don't like reading) and i guess it does generate publicity. :)

personally, i like it a bit better when people tell me if they're reviewing for the game or not... that way, i know where they're coming from. (if you know what i mean?) i also know if the game has been continued or not.

i guess it doesn't have to be a rule... but those who want to can certainly do it. :)

-Lefty

#22 Jan 13th, 9:31am
Otseis Ragnarok
Wait, we didn't have to do that?

...

Hmm... I'll keep doing it anyway. It feels right, 'sides starting a review is kind of difficult as it is. I find it as a nice way to break the ice...

#23 Jan 17th, 4:58am
Narc
Could we add a topic to discuss the craft of fiction writing in general? Like, everyone has different opinions on how certain things should be done, and it would be fun to discuss and debate them in a friendly environment.
#24 Jan 21st, 4:31pm
Fractured Illusion
How would it differ from the Story Improvement topic?
#25 Jan 22nd, 1:02am
Narc
It would be about topics on writing in general, not for feedback on a story.
#26 Jan 22nd, 5:16am
Otseis Ragnarok
Could we add a topic to discuss the craft of fiction writing in general? Like, everyone has different opinions on how certain things should be done, and it would be fun to discuss and debate them in a friendly environment.

I like that Idea... We could discuss writing, coping with writer's block, etc... But maybe we should set up various topics, to be a little more specific about it all...

#27 Jan 23rd, 11:20am
Fractured Illusion
@Onar - Does this mean there should be different threads for differnet topics? Or should every poster make clear on what they are posting about in their posts? Kinda like this:

"ABOUT CHARACTERISATION; my view is blabla"

something like that? A mandatory mention of which topic it is?

#28 Jan 23rd, 1:03pm
Otseis Ragnarok
I think we should do a seperate thread for each topic, this way, nobody will interrupt a good discussion with some random, off-topic statement, blowing everyone off-track. Also, we have the potential to introduce more people into a well-developed discussion this way.

Above all else, howevr, this will prevent an overflow of e-mails to people who only want to be a part of one or two discussions ratherthan one which involves evryone on the topic. Not to mention how annoying it is to put a heading on every post you make.

The same should be done with the off-topic: One for chat, one for... something else, one for asking for dispute settlement in the various review games, etc.

#29 Jan 23rd, 1:12pm
Fractured Illusion
Okay... This means I want SPECIFIC requirements of what new topics you want created on these general discussions.

And you want a new Off Topic?

Off Topic: Chat (check)

Off Topic: RG problems (but wait! This is just like the "Problems/Questions about the RG" topic! We don't need this)

Off Topic: Something else (what?)

*question mark*

:P

#30 Jan 23rd, 1:22pm
Narc
I like the off topic topic the way it is. I generally try to keep myself unsubscribed to it, for that reason.

Also, if your e-mail has this capacity, I would highly recommend making a fictionpress filter to a separate folder.

#31 Jan 23rd, 1:41pm
Fractured Illusion
This still leaves a big questionmark as to what to divide the different Story Discussion topics into...
#32 Jan 23rd, 1:47pm
Otseis Ragnarok
This means I want SPECIFIC requirements of what new topics you want created on these general discussions.

Well, I was really talking about Narc's Idea about a forum for the writer's craft.

And the RG problems? The problems/questions topic hasn't really been used to its fullest extent.

And that... something? Use your imagination, you ARE a writer, right? I was thinking something along the lines of a non-serious chat-lounge type thing. The current off-topic suffers a major flaw.

Back at the revolution, a major part of its demise was people having arguments (And not the good-natured kind we get into), on the off-topic section, detracting from its humor and light-hearted randomness.

#33 Jan 23rd, 1:49pm
Narc
Why not just start with an Elements of Writing topic and go from there? I mean, it's not like we have so many active posters that it'll get confusing with everyone posting about different things. But, if it does, you can always add a new topic to expand on it.
#34 Jan 23rd, 1:49pm
Fractured Illusion
I agree with Narc. Motion overruled. You may create a Elements of Writing topic, if you wish.

NEEEXT!

#35 Jan 24th, 3:21am
Otseis Ragnarok
You neglected a larger part of my speech...

Back at the revolution, a major part of its demise was people having arguments (And not the good-natured kind we get into), on the off-topic section, detracting from its humor and light-hearted randomness.

You should really put this into consideration as well...

#36 Jan 24th, 4:54am
Fractured Illusion
I would take it into consider, if arguments were an issue here.

I have specificly stated I want NO ARGUMENTS here on RG in the general rules.

If I see people arguing (not debating), I will delete their posts. And if its within my power, I will ban them. Otherwise, I will ban them from the game threads (aka: people aren't allowed to review these peeps)

So far, people talk in a civilized manner in the OT thread.

What is your problem, squirt?

#37 Jan 24th, 5:07am
Otseis Ragnarok
So far, people talk in a civilized manner in the OT thread.

Yeah, but bad sh*t can (and most likely will) happen. I don't want this place to die, so you should really put more thought into my idea. When ** ruin this place with their arguing, like at the revolution, I WILL shove it in your face... One great big "I TOLD YOU SO!!!"

#38 Jan 24th, 5:28am
Fractured Illusion
And I will reprimand them, tell them not to bother us, and delete their posts.

Seriously, what else do you want me to do? Create an entire topic for people to argue in?! Doesn't that URGE people to argue? O.o

*confused* I have no idea WHAT you want me to do!

#39 Jan 24th, 5:32am
Otseis Ragnarok
I was thinking of the other route... another topic to post in... just in case sh*t happens in the current one. I guess you could hold off on it for now, but if stuff does begin to occur, you should create another off-topic, or perhaps a thread to settle disputes...

Something like that?

#40 Jan 24th, 6:12am
Fractured Illusion
I am quite against that idea, since it means that we actually allow arguments.

RR lacked a non-tolerance policy. RR lacked administration. There was no one there to correct people.

Me and Lefty will castrate the b-tards that dare to assult mah baby *grr*

No topic, because that means it is allowed. They will settle it through PM:s or email. I dont care, really. Just as long as it is out of this place

#41 Jan 24th, 6:16am
Otseis Ragnarok
Ever hear the phrase "The forbidden fruit tastes sweetest?" Well, it applies here. It's the reason prohibition falis, and what you are trying to do is best descibed as that - prohinition...

I understand that you want to protect your forum, but this isn't the best way to do it. From what I can tell, there are two major problems with your so-called no-tolerance policy:

1). If you prohibit arguments, people won't have any way of voicing their opinions. Sure, people can say things, but once a conflict occurs... then what? Utopian societies cannot exist for this reason, and whether you agree or not, that is what you are trying to create, only on a smaller scal.

2). How can you tell a discussion from an argument? Maybe two people just speak with each other with unkind terms because they knopw each other like that. If you ban them, then what's to stop you from banning me for disagreeing with you here and now? What's to stop you from banning anyone for the same reason later on? I'm not saying that you would, only that people shouldn't have to live in fear of that happening.

"If power corrupts, then absolute power corrupts absolutley." y'know? I'm ust worried is all...

#42 Jan 24th, 6:36am
Fractured Illusion
People have had disagreements here before, and I have not deleted anything. I see a difference, and I see "argument" as the kind of thing that we don't want. It is when people start to argue with each other ABOUT each other that I will butt in.

How about this?

1) Openly reprimand both or more people that argue and tell them to stop, while making clear there is no reason to care as to whose fault it is

2) If they don't listen, delete messages and tell them to go to PM

I quite honestly don't think people will go further than this. This of course requires everyone to work with me on this, and not encourage the people in an unappreciated argument.

I mean, if they REALLY won't settle after I have done this, how on earth am I going to make them listen to tell the poor losers "Hey, I have a topic for this! Go there, eventhough you are already spamming up this place with no coinscence and will do so either way!"

No. .

You need to get some followers on this one. I will not approve unless a majority overrules me. I stand by the point that if I actually go to the point of creating a topic for arguments, I allow them.

If people start to argue, then I will consider. But not now. Seems unnecessary.

#43 Jan 24th, 6:43am
Otseis Ragnarok
Well I was just worried about you taking this power too far. Someone has to keep you in check...

My idea isn't perfect, either, but I think we should give it a thought more than simply discarding it. We could work to find a happy medium between the two, I'm just not comfortable with the idea that anyone's posts could be deleted so easily and readily...

#44 Jan 24th, 7:03am
Fractured Illusion
Onar, not to burst your bubble, but I can pretty much delete ALL your posts WHENEVER I feel like it.

And Lefty keeps me in check. Seriously, with such a down-to-earth woman beside me, what could go wrong? :P

And like I said, go and recruit some followers to your idea. I won't consider it until an argument actually occurs and they refuse to take it to the PMs.

#45 Jan 24th, 7:08am
Otseis Ragnarok
I won't consider it until an argument actually occurs and they refuse to take it to the PMs.

Not a bad idea. My only real problem was the supression otf thought that would no doubt occur with an abuse of your power to alter/delete posts. If you are sure that lefty can keep you in check, I'll shut up... But I'll need to hear it from her as well.

#46 Jan 24th, 7:11am
Fractured Illusion
I personally don't feel I need to be kept in check anyhow, since I usually run my ideas through you guys first, anyhow. Seriously ,what's with this distrust when I have shown such open-mindedness all through? Like I'm being targeted for no reason. Psh.

lefty, tell him the answer!

#47 Jan 24th, 7:14am
Otseis Ragnarok
Well, I just have issues trusting people, especially when they have power over something I find important... Sorry if I seem to betargeting you, but I'd do it to anybody...
#48 Jan 24th, 7:19am
Fractured Illusion
Ugh, Lefty's gone :/

Okies, new suggestion:

Lefty once suggested to pin the Review game topics. I thought it unnecessary as we did not have that many topics. Now, however, it is getting crowded.

My suggestion: Pin the Review game topics?

Oh Lefty, where art thou, fellow mod?

#49 Jan 24th, 1:25pm
Otseis Ragnarok
See? that's why I should've been a mod too...

Anyways, Pinning the RG topics seems like a good idea, I mean that is the original idea behind this forum... Not to mention the fact that with overcrowding like you said, we might lose ourselves in the overflood of new sh*t...

#50 Jan 24th, 1:32pm


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