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dbz 77
Topic: So What Screws Up Romance Stories?
In your opinion, what usually screws up romance stories?

Michael

#1 Oct 22nd 2006, 5:00pm
Tatiana Moore
"His undulating tree branch penetrated her blood orchid" as posted in the "sex scenes" topic... I think things like this are completely outdated and ridiculous... I mean... come on... no sane person would call it an "undulating tree branch"... good god.

:)T

#2 Oct 23rd 2006, 11:57am
salsalsally
A predictable ending is what screws up romance stories. What ever happened to the surprise endings? isn't love meant to be "full of surprises"?
#3 Oct 23rd 2006, 5:24pm
Bloodflower
o sane person would call it an "undulating tree branch"...

I wouldn't call it outdated. Even the worst of writers of past centuries wouldn't have called it an "undulating tree branch." Besides, I have issues with the image of tree branches poking at blood orchids -- which are SMALL -- in the first place. The blood orchid would die. Like. Be literally ripped apart.

Generally in fiction what I hate is when writers don't think about their metaphors and images.

It's terrible in sex scenes, as Tatiana points out.

Talk of "love" in high school. Call my a cynic. I just don't buy it.

#4 Oct 23rd 2006, 8:44pm
Tatiana Moore
I know for sure that I'd stop reading if things got to flowery... I guess I'm not one for a bunch of sexual metaphors. I think the purpose of writing is to make it as real as possible, to have your readers connect with you in all ways. Why sugar coat anything with a metaphor. But I'll admit, I do sometimes struggle with what to call the male genitalia in the heat of a scene... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
#5 Oct 24th 2006, 6:13am
Bloodflower
Well if you're being satirical, "the male genitalia" might work, Tatiana.
#6 Oct 24th 2006, 5:21pm
Love-between-lies
Does anybody know if we can post things about stories that are published in these forums because there is one book I know that is a super good example, okay maybe two?

Anyways I hate it when a character is suddenly changed for the better, because bam they are in love. A Character is supposed to be human like and even love cannot stop all bad habits i mean. If a bad boy who smokes, drinks, does drugs and swears way to much just randomly because a good boy, who gets good grades, does not smoke/drink/do drugs and whatever else just because they are in love it is highly unbelievable in my opinion.

I also hate it when Characters become good looking, i mean seesh why cannot we just have ugly people sometimes. I'm aware we as humans would rather read about pretty things I am guilty of this but sometimes It's just refreshing to have a not so beautiful but engaging character that you fall in love with anyway.

#7 Oct 24th 2006, 7:49pm
Gabriel El Jibaro
Well, to be honest, it's when someone turns it into something resembling a soap opera or a Shakeperean thing when you're in the MODERN era... sure, it's good once in awhile to see something as poetic as that, but it's sometimes used innapropriately.

Also, it's when one thinks true love is about passion... it's not just about that. Love is about being happy with the person you love... about being a person they can trust, and someone who remains in their life as a source of welfare, happiness and good.

Also, like you guys have said, it's how someone usually screws up the sex scenes... just like I commented myself. I honestly think there's a difference between a sex novel and a romance novel. A "sex" novel is (in my opinion) a romance that has such low quality that it only passes off as cheap **.

I've seen some pretty good romance novels, and fictions on this site too, that, even though they're not bad, they have some good room to improve.

Anyway, Dios Los Bendiga,

Gabriel El Jibaro

#8 Oct 24th 2006, 8:53pm
Tatiana Moore
Hahahaha Bloodflower... :) yup, I'd used that in a sarcastic sense i.e. "old male genitalia"...
#9 Oct 25th 2006, 5:54am . Edited Oct 25th 2006, 5:57am
Tatiana Moore
Good discussion... good discussion!
#10 Oct 25th 2006, 5:56am . Edited Oct 25th 2006, 5:57am
dbz 77
Why sugar coat anything with a metaphor. But I'll admit, I do sometimes struggle with what to call the male genitalia in the heat of a scene... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

A pulsating, throbbing, baby-making piston.

Michael

#11 Oct 25th 2006, 10:16am
Tatiana Moore
LOL!!!!

baby-making piston... I like it ;)

#12 Oct 25th 2006, 12:21pm
pillowfighter
Wow, very innovative I must say. ;) For me, things are ruined when situations are dragged on. I understand it's a must for some plots but then it just starts to resemble a bad ** and it's lost my interest
#13 Oct 25th 2006, 7:07pm
The Ferrett
The big thing that screws up romance is the energy wasted on gushing "he blushed, she blushed" people actually react to love but not everyone is entirely obvious with their reactions or spends 100% of the day on them.
#14 Oct 25th 2006, 9:55pm
Tatiana Moore
Ooop... I'm guilty of a few "he blushed, she blushed" comments...

But I don't think my story is consumed with them. I do hate stories that drag on after the big ending (which is usually a wedding or wedding night) and go into 20 more pages of fluff. A good epilogue will work nicely, but don't bore me.

I've actually stopped reading books for this reason.

#15 Oct 26th 2006, 8:40am
dbz 77
Ooop... I'm guilty of a few "he blushed, she blushed" comments...

But I don't think my story is consumed with them. I do hate stories that drag on after the big ending (which is usually a wedding or wedding night) and go into 20 more pages of fluff. A good epilogue will work nicely, but don't bore me.

I've actually stopped reading books for this reason.

What books have you read which dragged on after the big ending?

Michael

#16 Oct 26th 2006, 9:20am
Tatiana Moore
I wish I could remember!!! But I think there was like 4 more chapters after what I considered the conclusion.

There haven't been a lot, and none on this site.

It may have been a book by Lisa Jackson (I think...) Her books seem to drag a lot and are weighed down by A LOT of descriptions (personal opinion here).

#17 Oct 26th 2006, 9:46am
Sally Can Wait
Sex scenes kill stories, and so do stories that last eighty seven thousand years after the couple gets together. It's like, okay, we get the picture, already. Though I adore her books, I'm afraid Meg Cabot has a tendency to go on and on.

-Sally Can Wait

#18 Oct 26th 2006, 8:07pm
Love-between-lies
Sex scenes can work if they are done tastefully, as well as not being loaded with heavy details the less details in a sex scene I find work better.
#19 Oct 27th 2006, 12:59am
Da Vinci at Work
Make out scenes screw up romances. (shudders thinking of disturbance) Oh, and also when the two main characters get all "I LOVE YOU!!" ** me off. Don't know about you.
#20 Oct 28th 2006, 7:37am
Playing Games
I agree. (With Da Vinci.)

I think that normally, kids (Or adults,) Don't randomly look at each other and automatically think, "Lyk, omg, that's my soulmate."

Or if they do, they don't actually believe it.

It's completely unrealistic. I think that Romance Stories shouldn't be straight drama, should have some conflict, some hilarity, and some taste.

(Any story without a good sense of humor is flat. It's the truth.)

#21 Oct 28th 2006, 12:06pm
Noheart
Personally what ruins a romance story for me differs depending on the story i'm reading. There isn't one particular thing that would stop me from reading (Except maybe those sex scenes as mentioned several posts above me).

I would agree that dragging out the ending is a sure fire way to bring down a story. If it's finished then let it be, we can imagine the characters futures ourselves.

I've never written a pure romance story before. I would say that romance is always a part of my stories but i don't like it to overtake them because there's only so far they can go ;)

#22 Oct 28th 2006, 3:50pm
Bloodflower
What books have you read which dragged on after the big ending?

ANNA KARENINA.

Now, don't get me wrong, I recognize that Tolstoy's novel is as much about Levin and Kitty as it is about Anna and Vronsky but come ON! the social commentary after Anna's death is in.fu.ri.ay.ting.

#23 Oct 29th 2006, 7:18am
fredtheflyingfish
For me it's how I know the whole story before I even pick up the book. Usually I just deal with this since I do love romance stories, but can't people have original ideas?
#24 Oct 29th 2006, 3:12pm
catharsis7
It varies from story to story, but what usually ruins a love story for me is when the characters become overly mushy-gushy towards one another and there is no more difficulties in their relationship. I've found I prefer romance stories where the girl and guy get together at the very end, not somewhere in the middle and everyone gets to read about their make out sessions or sex scenes and how everything is going so well in the relationship. It's the overly done sappiness that ruins them for me.
#25 Oct 31st 2006, 7:55pm
LeilaX
It varies from story to story, but what usually ruins a love story for me is when the characters become overly mushy-gushy towards one another and there is no more difficulties in their relationship.

I agree with you. Romances that are just completely unrealistic don't interest me. In a real relationship there will be ups and downs, because life is not all sunshine and flowers.

Something else that really makes me cringe in romance stories are really bad terms of endearment. 'My love' is all and good if you're writing a story set two hundred years ago, but who really says that in this day and age?

#26 Nov 03rd 2006, 10:41am
Kaede Kitsurani
See, I don't look at what makes a good love story bad. I look at what makes it look good. I think about what the strong points are and I forget about the weak ones until I'm done with the story. Then I go back and edit some timngs, maybe some archaic sayings or cheesy lines.

Nothing, in my opinion, ruins a romance story. With one exception: The only thing that ruins a good love story...is if you have no romance it it.

#27 Nov 09th 2006, 5:43am
BreeJalil
I agree with Kaede Kitsurani sort of, there are somethings that maybe don't RUIN a romance story, but maybe are just unnesscary and things that just get in the way and are a distraction such as to many characters or to many big ideas going on at once, it can complicate stories, this is always a problem for me, I want to get alllll my ideas out at once and it just ends up cluttering the story.
#28 Nov 09th 2006, 8:00pm
XxHaUtEcOuTuRexX
I think something that screws up a romance is that whatever is suppose to happen (ex. a guy and a girl become a couple) happens too early in the story then it ends wierd. Like theres no point in reading the end if the part you wanted to happen already happened.
#29 Nov 18th 2006, 8:17pm
Lavender L. C
Hilarous.
#30 Nov 20th 2006, 5:09pm
Lavender L. C
I totally agree!!!!
#31 Nov 20th 2006, 5:11pm
Lavender L. C
I totally agree!!!!
#32 Nov 20th 2006, 5:11pm
Hunter Victoria
STORYBOOK ENDINGS!

OMGsh!

I hate it when everyone ends all happy ever ever! Make the ending happy if you want but please, letting everyone get what they want is just lame. SOrry but that just annoys me when the ending is like "...and they all got exately what they wanted, no problems, just peace and love

#33 Nov 23rd 2006, 2:53pm
Complicated Addiction
"Happy endings are story's that haven't finished yet" I forgot who said that but I agree. I try not to make the same endings for my stories. I like changes, and leaveing the readings in a good place, but I dont say "and they lived happily ever after." That's just not realistic.
#34 Nov 27th 2006, 6:51pm
dbz 77
"Happy endings are story's that haven't finished yet" I forgot who said that but I agree. I try not to make the same endings for my stories. I like changes, and leaveing the readings in a good place, but I dont say "and they lived happily ever after." That's just not realistic.

A more realistic ending would go something like this.

"The two of them snuggled in bed. They both knew there would be many challenges in the years to come. For now, they have each other, and their togetherness makes tomorrow's obstacles feel so much smaller."

#35 Nov 27th 2006, 7:06pm
somuchformyhappyending
sex scenes. hah. no, really, not kidding. they do. only because it takes away from the actual romance in my opinion. it almost makes everything gross. and, although my stories are kinda like this, sometimes cliche can really ruin a romance story. I think someone mentioned this earlier but if the reader really knows how your going to end it could really mess up the story. and then on the other hand somtimes it makes it SO exciting and fun and it keeps you reading. you know, the whole "girl falls in love with brother's best friend and they live happily ever after thing" Everyone basically loves those.
#36 Dec 10th 2006, 10:03am
Nightshade belle
I don't think sex scenes in general ruin a romance. It's only when it is done badly it could screw everything up, but once it is well described, logical and in good taste it could serve to bring so real passion and excitement to a story. In my stories I have sexual scenes, but I never go into serious detail because I find mystery and subtly so much more thrilling. The mechanics of sex make me think of when I was studying biology in school and that's not very romantic.
#37 Dec 10th 2006, 1:32pm
Raine0211
What makes a story suck:

1) Botching grammar and spelling. Even if you're writing about a teenager, you don't get the right to kill that stuff. It's what makes writing good.

2) High school romances: they're so typical you need to make them atypical. I can't tell you how many times its one popular meets and unpopular or whatnot. Whey can't people START with a romance thats 2/3 years old. Show what happens when you're that far in. How you stay in love. How does cheating happen? OH gasp, cheating, the perfect lovers wouldnt' do that. but a lot of people aren't perfect.

3) Yes, I'm guilty of writing about beautiful ppl. But I would like to see some people like me. Okay looking, a tad overweight, but can still get laid (well...at my grand old age of 22...anywho). Haha, just kidding. But they can still find someone to be with. Also, what about just falling out of love with someone. It's not always, the first person I love I marry.

4)And a tip: when you write, read it outloud. It really lets you know if something's written so people can understand.

5) And the ever popular sex scenes: I like them. But I like sex. soooo, i'm a bit biased. But they do have to have some taste and class no matter how 'hot and heavy'. People have sex. It's a fact of life. So don't just avoid it 'cause you're uncomfortable with it. You can hint at it, or describe a little more if you're comfortable with it. Don't be afraid to say 'nipple!' It's okay! We won't be appalled...just don't say 'quivering member'...like in 10 things I hate about you.

#38 Dec 10th 2006, 2:28pm
Odds Are Against Us
personally i love a good sex scene. but any strange or vulgar language (unless we're talking about assault or rape here..) totally ruins it for me. yes, there is a time and a place for a "quickie" in a romance story, but i want to feel like im there, like I'M the one in the sex scene. i want to feel a connection between the two (or more) characters. i want emotion (be it negative or positive). if there's no emotion, then you have no story.
#39 Dec 14th 2006, 4:05pm
FaithMemory
screw romance??? hmmm... jelousy...
#40 Dec 16th 2006, 9:22pm
Anthony Tatsumaki
What makes a good romantic story suck is the tragic death. Now, sure. Your lover dies in a horrible accident or by being stabbed by his evil twin brother/sister/nemesis, but it's really stupid for the other person to pull a Romeo and kill themself just to be with them. Shakespeare has already done that.

And another thing, a lead up into any makeout sequence is always bad (being left alone for a while, being in a room with the other person for a long while, wedding scenes, etc.).

#41 Dec 20th 2006, 6:39pm
NeoMiniTails
I hate overly hapy romance stories where the eprson is always happy when they're with that person. And the most hated thing is the love at first sight and the people's only problem is the outside people, not themselves.
#42 Dec 22nd 2006, 3:24pm
candypop117
bad characterisation, rushed stories and bad descriptions/orientation.. eg [She's 20 years old and lives alone in an Apartment in New York city] This type of thing just spoils and ruins the whole story; not for just for Romance but for any stories in general. Personally, i love stories with a strong sense of orientation and climax

I think there really should be some kind of antagonism in Romance stories...it gets really boring if characters are a complete Mary-sure and the leads go all mushy mushy like there's no tomorrow [not that its bad]but it needs some dramatic tension and you know...general mishaps

I don't think I really made sense but hey thats just me

#43 Dec 23rd 2006, 12:54am
Mardy Bum
Okay. I have been reading all these replies, and most of them (excluding the ones about sex scenes) focus on the end of the story being too perfect.

Now, I don't mean to be a party pooper, but with a few stories I have read on here, the original endings have been what you might call, the opposite of a 'happily ever after'. The writers of these stories, have then recieved thousands (maybe a little exaggeration) of reviews saying how terribly disappointing the ending is.

Personally, I want to know what happens to the characters at the end of the story, and if the writer was to carry it on, instead of rounding it off, who knows, it could go on for seventy chapters more.

I have no idea how my story (We'll Make Them So Jealous) is going to end, but I can almost ensure my readers it will be rounded off. I truly loathe sequels.

As for the one thing that ruins a romance story, in my opinion, is the lack of pensioners.

I want old people.

#44 Jan 03rd 2007, 11:54am
Dollface Dead
Okay, there is one thing that will almost always make me quit reading a romance story, and it goes like this:

Cindy woke up slowly, stretching her arms. The sun was shining through the window, signifying morning. Smiling, she nudged Michael. He groaned and sat up lazily, and upon seeing her began to kiss her, tongues touching.

Ewww!! Morning breath! Maybe I'm just an idiot but that seriously grosses me out. I don't even want to read anymore of something when that happens! Brush your teeth first!

#45 Jan 10th 2007, 11:22am
ad344
When the couple in the story gets together too soon. I like a story where there's a struggle for love and a lot of conflict. When all of a sudden they fall in love, not only is it so unrealistic it annoys me, their "love" for each other will "fix" everything and none of the conflicts will seem real anymore.

Terms of endearment, if overdone, make me want to gag. "My love" being the main one.

When the girl in the story is weak or gives up her ideas/morals/beliefs just because she's in love. It's a cop out for the author so as not to realistically deal with the problems. Weak anyone annoys me so that also includes the guy. Giving into her every whim just because its love is not attractive & makes for a very boring plot line.

Also, when the physical or personality description is lumped together in one large paragraph. That screams 5th grade to me. We all felt the need to carefully explain how beautiful, strong, unique, popular, etc. the girl is in the very first LOOOONG paragraph. I believe we should slowly find out about the character through their actions, memories, or other people's eyes. It's more exciting this way to me.

Sex scenes are all right with me. For me though, it's the way the author leads up to it. I don't like sex within the first few chapters, whether or not the couple has been together for years. Like foreplay, I like to build up to the actual moment. A story that uses vulgar language isn't a good read to me unless the situation calls for it. And the characters shouldn't just jump into the sack when they decide to have sex, or it's over too quickly. I like when the tension builds up beforehand.

Everyone's answers pretty much cover it though. The opinions here are really helpful.

#46 Jan 14th 2007, 8:16pm
paradiie
I agree with a copious amount of these opinions. The sex scene just doesn't appeal to me... heaving bosoms and saliva exchanging... I guess if it was a classic but God can we please leave out the **?! I hate it when they jump in bed and all that crudd. I guess this is just my opinion. Happy, typical, oblivious endings ** me off- unless they have a good format. Then again who am I to criticize? Whatever.
#47 Feb 19th 2007, 9:06pm
Limited Edition
When the couple in the story gets together too soon.

I think this depends on the story. Sometimes they get together quickly, but the problems come afterwards. It depends on what the story is about. But of course, it shouldn't be unrealistic.

The descriptions...hahahaha omfg, I can't count how many people I've seen doing that and bashed in my moments of nicotine-lack.

"My name is Mary-Meredith McOhsogorgeous. I'm 15, tall, blonde, blue eyed, and boys faint on the street when they see me." Oh yes, the only thing lacking from this description (read: Ad) is the phone number.

What I wanted to add: Stories without atmosphere and stories that sound like blahblahblah in my head.

#48 Feb 27th 2007, 1:29am . Edited Feb 27th 2007, 1:31am
Nightshade belle
Haha! I hate descriptions like that. They're so corny and ridiculous.
#49 Feb 27th 2007, 5:28am
zephyr deity
Personally, the kind of people involved in the romance could make or break it and a good plot needs to be in order too. I really hate it when good writing skills are thrown off to the side and people don't even care just as long as the story is awesome - that really sucks for me.
#50 Apr 01st 2007, 10:58pm


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