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JarlaxeTopic: Review? Why is fictionpress now as mundane and uninteresting as other writing/online-publishing sites? Because of the lack of effort people give to read anothers works and review it. Reviewing is simple it takes a few minutes and sometimes even starts a frienship between two authors, how many of you have received a review and replied in turn with a review of your own. This is why fictionpress used to be exciting not because of the critiques, not because of the basic principle behind the review, but the people you interacted with because of the initial effort of giving a review. Have you recently submitted a work without receiving a single comment, review, anything? Well I know how frustrating it can be, and here is my suggestion to you. When you log in to fictionpress and excitedly go to the stats menu to look at the new poem/story you submitted to find it had not been given a single review, dont despair, get out there find something you may be interested in, and give it an honest review, if someone gives you a review, return the favor. If you have nothing to do, log in and read a couple pieces, if anything was good or given an honest effort show that author some respect and give them a review. Well thats all the ranting I've got in me, I hope somebody reads this.... |
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Midnight In EdenYou should check out and post in the reviewing thread.Also, I review a ton. I've submitted close to five hundred reviews, few of which are returned. In fact, I've reviewed you. I don't post a lot of work nor do I expect a lot back, I just try to help with critiques which is what I think fictionpress should be about. Helping people perfect their work. Honestly, there are better places than fictionpress to post your work. Great poetry forums in which you can really get to know some people. If you're sick of not being noticed, perhaps look for one of those places. |
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Sophia VictoriaYeah, it's so sad that those who are registered in FictionPress doesn't have any guts to submit a review for an author's work. You just want to strangle their necks to a twisted knot until their breathing avert. By the way, nice insight there! x/Hell Phoenix/x |
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Sophia VictoriaYeah, it's so sad that those who are registered in FictionPress doesn't have any guts to submit a review for an author's work. You just want to strangle their necks to a twisted knot until their breathing avert. By the way, nice insight there! x/Hell Phoenix/x |
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Bitter IronyA site that's even worse than FP for reviews is ficwad.com. Of course, it's probably less than 5% the size of FP (only 1,620 stories/poems in the original section, at last count), so that probably adds to the issue. The irony is, though, that the more helpful reviews you give on ficwad, the more rating points you get so that you can recommend stories you really enjoy--but I guess if you don't have an opinion on any stories, you wouldn't review or rate them anyway. Catch 22. Sometimes, if no one reviews something on FP, it's because it's in the wrong category and being targeted at the wrong audience. Be grateful for the massive number of genres FP lets you choose from! Other sites have far fewer, and believe me, it can get pretty tricky to choose the right one. ~Bitter Irony |
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Midnight In EdenFor poetry, I actually found poetsanctuary awhile ago and now I love it.You are pretty much guaranteed three replies to your poetry (there are rules to follow to keep everyone getting those three replies though) but it's a really great community. I'm not biased because I'm a mod. I really love the place. I still most stuff here but not as much as I used to. |
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lockna2i know this is lame repliying to some thing when no one has looked at it for ages but i have to aggre all the grate poets and auther authers alike a grously ignored if people are going to read someone elses work they should at lest respect the aither of the peace for there effort and reveiw another acordanly (i thank anywhen who bother to read and review my work and would repay the favour |
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Midnight In EdenOh another thing that's a bit weird. The people you review who in their profiles have "return reviews guaranteed" and then you never hear a word from them. I don't care that they don't review back but don't guarantee something when you don't do it. About 75% of the time I review what I read. The other 25% is basically stuff I read that I can't be bothered reviewing because it's too long and convoluted or just plain bad. |
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Dani PI know what you mean. Yes, I know some of my works are sucky and need work, yet why can't someone be kind enough to point this out to me? why can't i get advice. some people do give me advice (i see some of those people here) yet the majority is more along the lines of "awesome i love it keep up the good work!" ok then..thats great...what did you like most? anything you didn't really like? what was your favorite part? why did you like it? what made it so special to you? If people would take two more seconds out of their lives just to answer simple questions like this itd help all aspiring writers out alot more.| #9 Jan 31st 2007, 10:50am | |
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Frogalogyeah, I usually review the poems that don't have any reviews, but i'm not too good at the constructive criticizm thing so I usually just write about the parts I liked only, but I always like to makes sure the reviews are longer than usual. I never really thought about reviewing back to people, but I after reading this forum I think I will.| #10 Feb 02nd 2007, 9:55pm | |
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lockna2yea u should at least always try to to the whole creative criticzm thing ... i do when eva i review but it is also good to tell the aurther about the parts u liked its also helps the auther keeps to a styl of writing ( god yr 12 english and i still make no sense)( and its level one go figger ) but yes u get my point| #11 Feb 03rd 2007, 4:56am | |
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Michael l'oeil folit is nice to get criticism but i agree that its good to hear what people like too...most of the time if you send an email someone's way that reviewed they try to give you a deeper reading about likes and dislikes...at least thats how its worked out with the people ive met on here| #12 Feb 16th 2007, 7:04am | |
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first-casualty-of-warThe Poet Sanctuary is an amazing website- I recommend it to everyone here. I've found I receive much better critiques there than I do here, but I still try to get as much feedback as I can.| #13 Feb 24th 2007, 2:55pm | |
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Midnight In EdenThe Poet Sanctuary is an amazing website- I recommend it to everyone here. I've found I receive much better critiques there than I do here, but I still try to get as much feedback as I can.Oh yes. Do you frequent the PCC? If so what's your username over there? I also still haunt around FP, it's hard to leave isn't it? | #14 Feb 24th 2007, 3:25pm | |
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first-casualty-of-warSweetVictoryx2L. I know we've stumbled into eachother a few times, hehe. Ohhh yeah, I agree- it is very hard to leave. | #15 Feb 24th 2007, 3:28pm | |
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Midnight In EdenAhhh yes.Oh and I know this is an odd place to pop this but don't bother with xenobard over there. I can't say anything on that site officially cause of the modness but we're having difficulty dealing with him right now and to just leave it alone is best. | #16 Feb 24th 2007, 3:29pm | |
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first-casualty-of-warYeah, I felt bad about that. I should have known better than to respond that way. Best of luck in dealing with him, though.| #17 Feb 24th 2007, 3:33pm | |
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Midnight In EdenActually you were fine kay? He's just trying to rile everyone up.| #18 Feb 24th 2007, 3:34pm | |
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first-casualty-of-warMmhmm...I have to admit, it didn't hurt to see his board locked...=D| #19 Feb 24th 2007, 3:37pm | |
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A. E. Custerplease review my work people, I'll work to review at least one thing on everyone here's pages.| #20 Mar 12th 2007, 6:37pm | |
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Slightly Bruised And BrokenI need help. I submit a poem but then it doesn't show up for sa person to review or read. What happened?| #21 Mar 14th 2007, 2:49pm | |
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in theoryHmm, it seems to fluctuate cus when I first joined it was dead and then it got really really busy when loads of newbies joined, and now they're all established not as many new people are joining. So there's less people looking to establish a "circle" so to speak. I think it could be that it's exam season too! (i've been waaaay too busy to post recently, let alone review..)theory } | #22 Mar 27th 2007, 7:13am | |
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RDraconisHuh... on DevArt most of the people I get to know are usually as a result to stupid, half-joking replies to their comments. *newb here*And, yeah, reviews can be really hard to put either way. You want to put meaningful critique that the person'll be happy with- but anyone like me has to stop before typing and go "Wait... will this hurt their feelings?" before they say anything. ^^; I dunno. Does the whole "Just give thoughtful comments" thing actually work here? It's hard to tell... Maybe if you do it a lot or something. Most of my reviews are from luck of people stumbling on it. | #23 Apr 26th 2007, 4:54am | |
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Midnight In EdenYou want to put meaningful critique that the person'll be happy with- but anyone like me has to stop before typing and go "Wait... will this hurt their feelings?" before they say anything.Haha no. I just give out flat out concrit and often get replies back from kiddies saying "You didn't like GET my poem, NEVER review me again, YOU'RE SO MEAN!!!!" But hey, what can you do? | #24 Apr 26th 2007, 4:29pm | |
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RDraconisYou can either chose better people to review or be nicer about it?| #25 Apr 28th 2007, 12:04pm | |
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lockna2but some ppl need mean feedback .. its better then not reveiwing at all beside ur always gonna hurt there feelings in some way or an other| #26 Apr 30th 2007, 9:18pm | |
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Midnight In EdenYou can either chose better people to review or be nicer about it?I'm not that mean, kiddies on here are too sensitive. Telling you that you have a lot of cliched imagery and should look at reworking that doesn't consistute as mean. | #27 Apr 30th 2007, 9:31pm | |
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Rightest RachelI'll like to look at one that you wrote, I can tell you what I think then. It can either be a flame and people are getting hurt and upset, or they are just not excepting fact. I know how a flame can hurt, had like over maybe 100? Lol!Well, the worse place now, and it's not safe if FF.net the sister site of here. either arrogant, self-centered, snobbish, flamers, them first, or people that don't care about others feelings. It's not a very good site as of now. I am trying to dodge it. I don't even want a review, people like picking on me because I disagree with flames. There has been couple of others that has been dislike because of the same factor as I. Yes, I noticed, I put a essay up about the way I am now it's called Destiny Of Doom, and it discusses how I went blind. I only gotten one stinking review, and that's from my friend on FF.net. Not impressing me so far. Well, I am new and that's only one chapter, true, but still. A better site would be some site with more activitie and more friendly people depending on what you find and like. This is a very good site it just needs to stay clean and out of the major flame issue. I am am on storywrite. Some people don't get reviewing very well, some don't quite get what a good review is. It's not a flame, and it's not anything that can hurt someone. I gotten in the past. You suck and you call this ** a piece of writing? You should die and go to hell. You don't need to write Damn stories. ** like yours don't deserve to be on this site. You can continue but we will continue to flame. And I am like What the Hell, damn what did I do? Not much, but try to write a very good and respective story. So why the hell do you have to flame. This ** should not be allowed, not exceptable at all. It's damn immature, and isn't very respectful. Maybe tell the writer if you don't like how and why. Suggest improvement, and how there styles can change. Gentle will do. Harsh and flames doesn't help. At flames most people overreact, and that's not great, or a way to make people improve or respect you. Straight congrats is okay only if that person's writing is that good. Saying it just to say it isn't good. instead tell them it was maybe good, but improvement could be made, and what and why and how to progress. Here is a good style. I will pretend I am reviewing Well, this piece wasn't bad, but there definitely is room for improvement. I caught a couple of spelling mistakes. Scan over your work and maybe check up on those. You left out a letter on with and without h it's wit and that mean smart. Well, the characters seem cool, but Mabel needs to be less perfect. She seems like a Mary Sue to me. Well, or else great. MLJ Well, give constructive critticism like I did above, always works. If you are flaming just to want revenge or yell at them because you dislike them, don't do it at all. If you want to flame because of a story quality, then stop calm yourself, then review gentlely. If you don't like there story because you don't like the genre or even the moral or theme, consider this, others might. Don't review and go read something else you like. No reason to flame. If you gave friendly critticisms last time and they won't listen, then don't review at all, probably need to find someone that will and don't spend your time flaming. | #28 May 16th 2007, 11:46pm . Edited May 17th 2007, 12:01am | |
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Midnight In EdenI'll like to look at one that you wrote, I can tell you what I think then. It can either be a flame and people are getting hurt and upset, or they are just not excepting fact.Here are a few examples of my reviews: "First off, technical stuff. Punctuation, I would recommend that you punctuate the whole piece (you've only got a handful of commas and an ellipsis right now, which actually should be three dots). It's very teen-angsty and as such, a little dull in it's language. You can write an angry poem, just make it interesting. The repetition of the first two lines, the "I know that I" is a little dull off the bat. Grab your readers with those lines, really pull them in (that's what they're there for). It's also quite prosaic, devoid of imagery and a poetic voice. Vivid it up and try to make us see your individual situation, what quirks make this topic interesting." OR "I think, if you're going to use a smattering of commas that you should probably punctuate the whole piece. Otherwise it looks a little sloppy. The rhyme scheme isn't bad, the "waits/contemplates" throws it off a little because of the odd syllable count but apart from that it flows well. Lines five and six though feels convoluted. The "and"s and "commas" are all oddly placed. A comma should never be before an "and" unless it's part of an independent clause of the sentence that can be removed. I think it might work better as: All the while, I know she waits sitting, sleeping and contemplating ways to ... Otherwise, you've got an interesting little piece here." OR "First off I think you need to separate your parts a little more. Perhaps center the "i" as you center the title. To be honest the "scribbles that were directions, once." that placement of once really irritates more than assists in the reading. It feels too cliched. Putting the "once" and that idea before the scribbles would flow a lot better. Also the "and" in the "She understands and you wave her on until she fades from sight." feels like it's too simple, a "but" or another transitional word ie "yet" would work a lot better. "pretty-girl patent-leather shoes" is too much description for what you've given us so far. I think you could get rid of one of them easily. There also should be periods instead of comma's after the dialogue. Otherwise it's not a bad little prose piece. A tighter structure perhaps would lend itself but otherwise you create a well contained story here." I don't flame. I suggest. | #29 May 17th 2007, 5:17pm | |
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Rightest RachelYeah, sounds a little like mine, though, mine has lots more of comment.Sadly, not everyone is telling the truth, so people sad they are helping and not flaming, but in reality they do. I sceen that a lot, so I am just a little suspicious. | #30 May 20th 2007, 9:13pm | |
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Fax AnaduSorry for posting this question here but i'm having some trouble.I'm new to the site and the Faq/Help section never loads. I just need to know how to submit poetry. I can upload documents and what not but how do i actually publish them? Anybody? | #31 May 21st 2007, 10:51am | |
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lockna2k when submiting poems/stories all you gotta do is upload the file then click on the link that says stories.. the link will open up s psge that displays asll of the work you have pervously upload .... (natualy this part will be empty) anyway in the upper right hand corner there is a link that says new stories... click on it and the rest is self explanitory| #32 May 21st 2007, 4:53pm | |
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BlondeHearted432can someone please review my poems if they have time? and how do you review someones poems? I can't figure it out.Please help | #33 Jun 08th 2007, 12:34pm | |
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akikodomoreview please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!| #34 Jun 10th 2007, 3:38pm | |
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lockna2only if you reveiw mine in return| #35 Jun 11th 2007, 3:17pm | |
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Coeur Sans EspoirYou know, I wish people would give me reviews like your examples. As it has been previously mentioned, the usual review here is just mindless congrats that are based on nothing. Most people review because they feel bad if they don't say something.I've noticed that this site has become very stagnant due to a lack of reviews. If anyone knows of a site that would be willing to accept a mediocre poet like myself (I'm not going to say I'm great, or perfect, I'm far from it.), I'd be happy to join. I posted eighteen poems on here at once, not a single one of them got a review. | #36 Jun 13th 2007, 1:35pm | |
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concerto49Well I've personally been giving reviews based on what I think (I actually do very little congrats as I have a perhaps higher standard. I haven't seen many great works around). I point out what I thought - I mean there ought to be something there to say.Guess if you post everything at once, it's likely only some will get read, so have to split up the timings. As to reviews - I've learnt that well, it's like poems/stories are hard to find in the listing here. Imagine telling a famous movie company to not advertise - if no one knows about it, they won't go see it. It's hard, and these days we can't just sit in the dark write, and expect people to read it. It might be good, but it isn't until someone knows about it. I hope you understand. This will happen anywhere. | #37 Jul 29th 2007, 11:30pm | |
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Daphne D'Applei have an account on ficwad, and you pretty much talked about the irony of that site. and i told the people that i dont like the stars system. someone once picked some random word (honestly i forgot the word, but it was not what my poem was about) the people said i just caught a jerk on that site....| #38 Aug 19th 2007, 12:40pm | |
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Daphne D'AppleI agree with you, i cannot review something that is that bad....| #39 Aug 19th 2007, 12:42pm | |
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Daphne D'AppleI don't flame. I suggest.so constructive criticism...that's not a bad thing but a good thing. I really can't give that, but I'm usually nice when i review.... | #40 Aug 19th 2007, 12:46pm | |
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lockna2yea ya cant go around hurting ppl feels , not evan if there really really REALLY BAD , cause other wise they might go slite there wrist in a bath tab o some thing :) its a sad world we live in . and i am reappy psychodtic/morped. today isnt it lovly , makes me feel at peace with onse self . GOING TO GO KILL THINGYS NOW :P | #41 Aug 19th 2007, 4:18pm | |
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lockna2REALLY*| #42 Aug 19th 2007, 4:18pm | |
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A. M. BussuvannoOh my gosh, out of all the poems I have, the one that has the most hits has only 1 review. That really stinks!| #43 Sep 07th 2007, 7:21pm | |
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hateandkill-DIt's not so much as how many reviews you et, though i have noticed a servier(sp?) decline in that, so much as it's just all the writers on here, mostly the new ones, no offence to anyone, are just not good whole hearted writers. They're either horrible writers or don't write at all and just drop around every now and then and leave mean reviews against really good poetry and stories, and don't even have the guts to back it up. There's other forums fixated on getting reviews, Look at me i read poetry for one, where you post and ask for reviews....Just thought i'd put that out there, you know, i'll leave yall alone now. ^_^ | #44 Sep 08th 2007, 6:37pm | |
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concerto49Yeah, I guess you could say the review count doesn't matter, but then there's not many other ways to measure it objectively. Then, for subjective measures, it would be even harder if no one reviews in the first place. So reviews at least show something - maybe that you were lucky or whatever to have more people come across your story, but nevertheless that is that.| #45 Sep 08th 2007, 6:40pm | |
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4tehlessthan3of0scoreintennisYes, it is sad that some people don't review. I used to anxiously check my stats a few hours after I posted a poem to find that no one reviewed. So I reviewed others, and they gave me reviews! What you give is what you get. And it is cool to make friends on here.| #46 Jan 09th 2008, 10:30am | |
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4tehlessthan3of0scoreintennisBut the thing that sucks the most is that sometimes people don't respond to your review. A thank you would be nice.| #47 Jan 09th 2008, 10:40am | |
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I see London I see Sam's TownI've been skimming through the posts for the last few minutes... First off, I just have to comment about FicWad.com. I don't think I've ever been more repulsed by a writing site before O_O Someone from DevART told me about it, so I made an account in hopes that I'd receive a bigger reaction there than what I’ve been getting on FP, but it's simply dreadful. I think my story was viewed 16 times--a number that accumulated for about a month, with now reveiws. Aside from that, the majority of people there do not take their writing seriously. I was highly disappointed when I couldn’t find one story that captured my interest and had good, basic writing skills. Case in point, for anyone who doesn't have an account there: DON'T create one! D:Now about the whole review issue on FP... Yes, I agree--the site's very ho-hum. FNN is more active as far as reviews and story submissions go, but I've always assumed that's because fan-fiction attracts more people than original stories. Basically, as others have pointed out, some are too lazy to look at other people's stories and review. Due to a lack of views and reviews, I rarely upload stories/poems, and stick to my DevArt account, but I've been reviewing more as of late in an attempt to be more active here. As far as leaving the complimentary or constructive reviews, I personally prefer to review with constructive criticism in mind. If someone can’t handle constructive criticism, then they probably have their defenses up and aren’t willing to take suggestions that way. Although, I’ve had trouble in the past where people seem to think that harsh criticism—or just flat criticism that’s a borderline flame—is constructive (this especially happens on Gaia =/). As a writer, a “I liked this. It’s good!” really doesn’t help me. If I read a story that I enjoy and don’t have constructive criticism, I at least sate WHY I liked reading it. I also want to say something about comments like “I WANTED to like this, but I don’t.” ...A watcher of mine on DevArt gives me comments like that almost every time I post something, and I have to say that his comments do NOT help. In fact, they’re rather frustrating. Leaving a comment like that makes me feel as if I can never please his ‘high’ standards as a writer. But regardless of whether I get comments/reviews such as this, or “This is good [insert smiley face],” giving reasoning is a something to add in your review (for those who don’t want to make anyone feel bad and leave compliments instead). ~That’s all. ;) | #48 Mar 07th 2008, 8:47pm | |
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concerto49Yep, I've been to ficwad for a while too. I agree it's pretty crap. Sorry. The servers go down once in a while, there's not much people, and most people are pretty random - even in what they say and all.Although there are stories with less reviews here, FP still has mass reviewed stories, so maybe we'll just have to keep trying. Like me for example, I've decided to instead work really ** one thing and redoing it a lot of times before I will post right now. I've just started and am still holding back on it, hoping it'll be better when I release it. I like the new beta-reader feature too, as I'll likely recruit a person or so more for this new story. It's becoming a really big project. Have to agree with your comment - I had that before as well. What's with wanting to like it, but don't. I know where it comes from. It's like those people that says please before swearing. Polite and swearing... I try to leave proper constructive reviews often too, unless I'm just too tired. I try to point out what's wrong and if they accept great, and if not I can't do much about it either. By the way, your profile pic - who's that of? That was another great addition here too. The upgrades are getting better. Yay! | #49 Mar 07th 2008, 10:07pm | |
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I see London I see Sam's TownI'm right with you on working to improve! Back when I was really active on FFN, I ended up taking down two stories so I culd re-write both of them (but due to my lack of interestin in fan-fiction, I've yet to re-submit them ^^; ). I recently started a new story and I've been working ** improving as well. Ah, yes! The beta feature! I just love that! I already have a few beta-readers outside of FP, so I haven't used it yet, but I've been asked already to beta someone's story. And the profile picture... That's me :) I agree with you--the beta feature and avatars a great addictions! | #50 Mar 07th 2008, 10:35pm | |
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