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Music by MoonlightTopic: World Domination Aside... I've got a rough idea of a plot in my head but it's turning out to be cliched! Problem - evil guy wants world domination. Grr...I need some other pretext for kill-ability and evilness than world domination but I can't seem to get one! Can someone please help? |
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Qlmmb2086Let's see... Villain motivations...1) World domination The Villain has a lust for power and control, and will continue to wreak havoc until he/she controls everything. 2) Neglect The Villain was one of the abused/downtrodden masses and has been provoked to the point of striking back, through violent and dishonorable means. They desire the world to fit into their opinion of what a "perfect world" should be, and have no room for those who disagree with that picture. 3) Sadism The Villain gets a near-narcotic high from causing those around him/her to feel pain. World domination, if also desired, is only a means to be able to cause suffering on a larger scale. 4) Accidental The Villain unintentionally fell into the wrong side of justice. Every criminal action they make is either an attempt to cover themselves for past crimes or get rid of their guilt. I hope that helps. There are probably more of them out there, if anyone else wants to add to this list. |
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Lccorp2Or how about something more original and interesting?-No villains. Opposing sets of protagonists, both believing they are doing the right thing. Number one; and fantasy novel that manages to pull this off instantly earns some of my respect. Very, very few authors; George R.R. Martin, Terry Pratchett, and the video game Golden Sun come to mind. -The "Villains" being wronged by the side of "Good" and being painted by the side of "good" in a horribly unfavourable light, so much that everyone thinks of them as evil from "Good"'s perspective. Taken from the "villain's" perspective, what they are doing is just, noble, and right. Only example I can think off the top of my head is the Warcraft Universe's Edward Vancleef and the Defias Brotherhood. Masons spend most of their fortune rebuilding Stormwind. When they want to be paid, nobles and king essentially tell them "sod off." Vancleef and masons are understandably ticked off, and start Defias Brotherhood. Problem is, you play on the side of SW, and thus see them as "evil". -The villain attempting to do something he or she believes is noble and helpful, be it to a community, to a person, or to a world, this having unintended consequences. Lord Blade in Maggie Furey's "The eye of eternity", probably one of its few redeeming qualities. |
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ArejHere's a random idea that came to mind: Have the hero and the villain have originally worked together in the interest of 'good' (relative to the storyline). The hero needs to explain some of their more shady actions, such as torturing/killing someone marked as 'bad' to learn of devious plans, etc - say he's explaining it to his girlfriend/love interest/family, someone he has to save face in front of. So the 'hero' blames the 'villain', and the slur on the 'villain's character spreads through the community and beyond. Being marked as 'bad' or 'evil', the 'villain' decides to live up to this reputation that was given to him, finds the 'evil' life to be quite enjoyable, and continues on with it in some form of revenge against the 'hero' for slurring his name in the first place.It's a bit....odd, yeah, I know. But it came to mind. | #4 Nov 05th 2006, 10:51am | |
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SpirithunterI love how R. A. Salvatore wrote about the drow, making the 'surface-dwellers' seem evil and shining the light more on the dark elves. Although the drow actually are evil, he writes about them being misuderstood and forced to survive in a world of no light, where the darkness began to take over their hearts, and everything else in the Underdark is a dangerous foe who could potentially kill someone. Sometimes you almost feel bad for all of them. |
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GirlbrainiacI love how R. A. Salvatore wrote about the drow, making the 'surface-dwellers' seem evil and shining the light more on the dark elves. Although the drow actually are evil, he writes about them being misuderstood and forced to survive in a world of no light, where the darkness began to take over their hearts, and everything else in the Underdark is a dangerous foe who could potentially kill someone. Sometimes you almost feel bad for all of them.And sometimes not. But I love them all anyway! They're so... DEVIOUS, and have a grand taste for the ironic that's absolutely irresistable. How about a villain that is not necessarily evil but selfish. He allies himself with whatever side he feels gives him the best advantage but whenever he's caught by the other side he somehow manages to oil his way out of trouble. He may even like your hero or have a warped code of morals. (Look at Jarlaxle in R.A. Salvatore's books.) Girlbrainiac | #6 Nov 06th 2006, 11:05am | |
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Qlmmb2086That depends... are we implying that being selfish is not an evil trait?| #7 Nov 06th 2006, 11:07am | |
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Lord-of-FoolsHe genuinely wanted to help people, but got messed up along the way, à la Mao Zhedong?| #8 Nov 12th 2006, 11:46pm | |
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Running SunriseWrite two completely seperate stories : D One on the side of "good" and one on the side of "evil" and see that the good guys arent so good and the bad guys arent so bad |
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Evil Minion Number 2Why not the whole "the end justifies the means" type thing? My example might be quite touchy as a heads up, but think... Um, I can't remember the word, but it's basically where you try to make the human race better by killing off all the people with undesireable traits so they can't reproduce and give the traits to another generation. It almost makes sense, after all, we already do that with cattle and horses. Why not people? But the problem is the morality behind it. You are slaughtering millions of people for no better reason for the way they were born.| #10 Nov 24th 2006, 11:58am | |
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LandUnderWaveEugenics, I think, is the word you're looking for.Lilz | #11 Apr 18th 2007, 3:46pm | |
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GirlbrainiacThat depends... are we implying that being selfish is not an evil trait?Not saying it's not an evil trait, just that it's not so bad as getting your jollies from torturing people. Being selfish is not enough to push you completely into the realm of evil. It's your other traits that determine whether it's evil or not. | #12 Jun 08th 2007, 10:02pm | |
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Lord-of-FoolsAnd some evil people are completely unselfish.Can't think of any off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are some out there who are serving whatever evil God/ non-existent God... something like that... and genuinely believe they're doing the right thing. | #13 Jun 08th 2007, 10:03pm | |
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Evil Minion Number 2Don't think I've heard of a villain who cares more for others than his or her self...| #14 Jun 19th 2007, 2:25pm | |
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darkShadow201068any decent and rational antagonist should personally believe they are doing the right thing. People don't do things because they are evil.But really, what is wrong with world domination? I wouldn't mind having power over the rest of the world. Perhaps he had lived among the poor and downtrodden. Once he finally received an opportunity for power he took it. Now he could be on a personal crusade to spread order across the world. To do this, he needs to destroy the current 'corrupt' rulers and bring the world under his heel so he can make it a better place in his mind. | #15 Jul 03rd 2007, 5:17am | |
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Lord-of-FoolsExactly. Like many of the REAL evil dictators: Mao Zhedong (though mainly the evil came from his wife), Idi Amin, Stalin, Hitler... all downtrodden people with bad relationships with their fathers, the poorest of the poor, who came into power with this massive ideological backing that led to the deaths of millions. Woohoo!| #16 Jul 03rd 2007, 6:13am | |
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GirlbrainiacEither that, or they shouldn't care whether they are doing the right thing or not, at least, not when their motive is other than power... Money, for example, can be a good motivator for some.So you start a guy from a low-income background, doesn't have to be squalor he's living in, just enough poverty to make things uncomfortable, make him envious of others who have money. So when he grows up, he wants to get as much money as possible to do whatever he wants. Problem is, he wants to get money with the least amount of work possible, so instead of doing things the legal way, he does it the way he sees as the easiest way. I've a pirate captain I'm working on as a protagonist... though truly, she's the antagonist of the story. She has a reputation of doing particularly nasty things to her captives. However, every action she's taken serves to increase her fearsome reputation, which makes enemy vessels more likely to surrender when they see her Jolly Roger. She doesn't do more than harry one or two men aboard the captured vessel if they surrender peacefully and hand over their cargo. If they don't surrender, however, she's likely to chop them up, piece by tiny piece and feed them to the sharks, or one of the many other creative ways she's come up with to make someone's death long and torturous... Because of the reputation she's built up, she gets a bigger payoff with less work. Though, of course, she isn't a 'nice' person in the remotest sense of the word. Girlbrainiac | #17 Jul 03rd 2007, 7:20am | |
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Trobson666The villain turns out to be the good guy, and those aiding the protagonist turn out to be the bad guys. Those aiding the protagonist use the protagonist to finally defeat the so called 'villain', and therefore the protagonist is inadvertantly aiding the baddies. Twists like that I think are awesome. Random example: In the game Broken Sword 1, the assassin that the protagonist tracks throughout out the whole game via a string of murders turns out to be good, and those who he is killing are the bad guys.| #18 Jul 05th 2007, 3:38pm | |
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MiniRuddyandfriendsI have another motive for villians:Money: The Villian is merely a paw nworking for someone else. Namely the highest bidder. |
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FireskyI don't know about anyone else, but my villain doesn't want to conquer the world. That was cliched a LOOOONNNNGGG time ago. Mine wants to effectively destroy it, or wipe it clean of all races that are not evil/(Insert Cryptonomicon word here. In the first Paragraph, and can't say it as I don't know how old you all are.) Yeah, he starts with taking over evil-inclined bodies, turning Ark Angels into great beasts of legend, and destroying the moon. Really the King of Kindness, dontcha think? XD |
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MiniRuddyandfriendsI do XD! |
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Kumquat21Religious reasons are always lovely. "My god told me to do it." On a similar note, how about "the voices in my head told me to do it." or, even more interestingly, both being the same?Or, on the other side of the spectrum, an atheist trying to rid the world of said religions? I never write evil characters - mainly because I do not believe in one person being 'good' or 'evil' . . . but that's already been said. Most of my 'evil' characters are insane, or greedy, or dead. I'm also now trying not to have villains who work on an unrealistically large scale like 'the world' - how many Napoleons can we have? Now I have more of a 'trying to destroy the other character's world' attitude, though both are valid reasons. |
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RudersovgyTrue, so, so true... |
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NarcThere is absolutely nothing wrong with having a villain wanting world domination provided that it's done well. He can even been a cliche 'wants world domination just 'cause he's greedy' if it fits the story appropriately. It doesn't have to be like that, though. He could want world domination because he wants to 'fix' everyone and it's 'for the better good'. He might want it for emotional reasons: he was shunned by his one-true-love at a younger time because he didn't have enough to offer her. He might have a complex and is continuously trying to prove himself and is never content with what he has. There's endless possibilities going from that. Instead of worrying about something you want to do being 'cliche', work with the cliche. Figure out ways to make it enjoyable despite the cliche. |
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Evil Minion Number 2I couldn't agree more. I love seeing the human side of a villain, considering you can only give insanity so much credit to doing wrongs...Not meaning to say that insane people don't do things that just arn't right, it's the fact it's usually a pretty good idea in there line of thinking. Even classic heroes would take similar actions if that's how they saw the world. | #25 Jan 17th, 5:16pm . Edited Jan 17th, 5:18pm | |
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RudersovgyI dont think classicail villians would, but im pretty sure modern Heros would. |
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Evil Minion Number 2Depends which classical villain you look at. I'm pretty sure Greek gods and monsters would hold those points of views. |
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FireskyYou have to think however. Who is truly wrong? Morals... They are sort of the spice that adds flavor to the story. Do you think that Julius Caesar thought he was evil? How about Hitler even? I HIGHLY doubt they did anything that they thought was wrong (sure WE did though...). We all have different themes of right and wrong. What matters is not what you think however. It's how you act. |
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RudersovgySo its all a matter of philosiphy then? |
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Kumquat21Oh, of course! (Just thought I'd chime in . . . ^^) |