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Lccorp2
Topic: Cheap tricks to let your readers know your antagonists are absolutely EVVVVVIL.
I'm collecting them all. Tell me some that you haven't seen before, and that aren't in the following list. I'll be amused, You'll be amused, and we can all laugh at the pathetically stupid methods used.

Add in authors, too.

1. Wearing all black, red or purple. (too many to count.)

2. Hissing, being scaly, or any reptilian features. (Paolini's Razac)

3. Laughing maniacally. (Again, too many to count.)

4. Indiscriminate torture, killing and rape of people, especially women and children in a bid to emotionally manipulate the reader. (Terry Goodkind's Draken Rahl.)

5. Having an evil-sounding name like the Forsaken. (Robert Jordan, if I remember correctly.)

6. Being ugly. (Too many hordes of orcs, trolls, goblins and the such to count.)

7. Being described as "souless". (Carol Berg's Zhad.)

8. Unable to breed because they "stand for death". (Carol Berg's Zhad, again.)

9. Having pupiless eyes. (Carol Berg's Zhad yet AGAIN.)

10. Gloating over the protagonist's demise, claiming "what is the point of capture if you don't get to gloat over the prisoner?", which is arguably one of the stupidest things any antagonist can do. (Chrisopher Paolini's Shades.)

11. Riding a Black Dragon. (Paolini's Gallbatorix.)

12. Mindlessly wanting to take over the world with no proper motivation. (Too many to count.)

13. Openly revelling in the evil that they're going to do, longingly thinking of destroying all good in the world, again with no plausible motivation. (Too many to count.)

14. Living in a wasteland with an appropriately evvvvvil name like "Land of the Red Death." (Far, Far too many, but the case in particular is Oumadon in "Flight of Dragons".)

C'mon. I'm sure you've seen them before. Bring them to me, so I can parody them and KILL THEM DEAD.

#1 Nov 05th 2006, 8:48am
Arej
Hmmm....seems you covered all the ones that come immediately to mind. Ever seen the Evil Overlord List? Look it up...it's awesome, lines out all the stupid thing villains do. Some of the things you mentioned here are on that list.
#2 Nov 05th 2006, 10:53am
Spirithunter
Evil Overlord List? Sounds interesting. Where is it?
#3 Nov 05th 2006, 8:24pm
Music by Moonlight
Yeah - where it is? Great list - it made me laugh and it's really *smart* too!
#4 Nov 06th 2006, 8:58am
Girlbrainiac
You've never seen the Evil Overlord list?! *screams in absolute horror*

Go to eviloverlord.com and start reading. It lists all the things an Evil Overlord should do, and makes fun of all of the most grievious cliches on the way.

Girlbrainiac

#5 Nov 06th 2006, 11:14am
Arej
Yeah, the Evil Overlord List rocks.....here's the exact URL for the first page (there are three, you can access two and three from the first): http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html

Such an awesome, awesome list...

#6 Nov 06th 2006, 12:07pm
Spirithunter
Thanks! Sounds like fun... *runs to page*
#7 Nov 06th 2006, 1:12pm
Spirithunter
Thanks! Sounds like fun... *runs to page*
#8 Nov 06th 2006, 1:45pm
Spirithunter
(Oops, sorry, didn't mean to post twice)
#9 Nov 06th 2006, 1:45pm
Qlmmb2086
erm... three times?
#10 Nov 06th 2006, 1:57pm
Arej
*laughs* Awesome. Yeah, I actually just refound it a few days ago...well, it was sent to me 'cause it came up in conversation. Just too cool...I try to keep my villains to that, at least don't let them make too many or too many extreme mistakes as noted on that list....it's tough, I've noticed, 'cause all of those things are the easy ways to help your heroes win. Certainly an uphill battle. *grin* Anyway....yeah.
#11 Nov 06th 2006, 2:03pm
Running Sunrise
Sit on a throne... which is made of skulls. (The Crimson King from Stephen King's Gunslinger series)
#12 Nov 20th 2006, 1:43pm
Evil Minion Number 2
Kidnapping the loved ones of heroes (A usual plot starter in RPG games and several books)

Randomly burning down villages for no good reason other than the hero used to live there (Common RPG starter)

Red eyes (too many to count)

Drinking blood (Ok, this is more common in videogames, but it applies to cliché villians too)

Enjoying killing things (Eragon, The Cleric Quintent, and several other books)

Talking to/mingling with/having tea parties with demons (The Outstreached Shadow, and the tea parties is just me being silly)

An odd urge to burn down forests that elves and other druidic things live in for no good reason (Eragon’s shades)

A bad tendancy of having mazes as houses (RPG’s only again)

#13 Nov 24th 2006, 11:47am
SpasticReaper
When was the last time you saw a villian living in a dilapidated 2 story house? Mansions are always a sign of villiany, bonus points if their is some sort of dungeon beneath. Bonus points if you have some sort of trapdoor that leads to it. (It's never obvious is it.)

When it comes to killing, if the villian either shows no mercy or has some kind of random orgasmic experience from it, they're definately super evil (Kazuo Kiriyama and Mitsuko Souma from Batle Royale)

Red pupils or no pupils (Why do they have those, I mean how many people could possibly have access to contact lenses in a world where people fight on horseback with swords?)

This isn't a sign of a villian per se bit it does kinda fit here. If the main character is male, the villian will almost always have some sort of relationhip with him (As seen in Star wars and Power rangers: wild force (Don't ask how I know that)

#14 Dec 03rd 2006, 2:41am
Ness3665
Power... Rangers?

Anyways... wow, I seem to be over-using that word a LOT. Those kinds of things are nice to do to show that your character is a villian. However... if you do it in excess, and if you have ENOUGH plot info to show that your character is evil, mean, whatever, even WITHOUT those super-easy hints, then it's way overdone.

Don't overdo it! -coughcougheragoncoughcough-

Yar. I particularly think the eye thing is overused among many authors, but assuming they have a proper explanation - and most do - it's easy to deal with.

Cheap tricks rule! You can also use cheap tricks to show that your character's a super-hardcore Gary-stu/Mary-sue!

For example:

- A whole bunch of really thick, hard muscles! The women don't tend to have this, but they still oddly manage to kick butt.

- Some really big, enchanted weapon, like a huge, glowing blue sword!

- Perfect bodies!

- Several scars on their face, preferably the eyes or something to give them that ragged-and-friggin' cool look!

- And the list goes on....

#15 Dec 06th 2006, 6:17pm
Marie Silver
Having absolutely nothing to do except annoy the protagonist or taking anger out on poor minions (they should start a union).

Yeah I love the Evil Overlord list, always makes me laugh.

~Marie Silver~

#16 Jan 10th 2007, 1:56pm
almostthegoldenchild
You forgot the lonley boy/girl born on a small insignificant farm, but destined for greatness.
#17 Jan 12th 2007, 6:59pm
Heatless Flame
Yet more villain cliches:

Vastly stupid enough to confront the hero alone. (Too many to count)

Alienates his people with random murders.

Appropriately dark and EVIL name. (Shadow Lord from Deltora Quest)

Doesn't actually appear in the story until the end. (Eragon, I'm guessing)

Recruits the EVILLEST possible minions, just to show how collectively evil he is. (Paolini...yet again)

Despite superior resources, troops, training, and experience, is overthrown by wild men eating bugs and fighting with spears.

#18 Feb 29th, 8:38pm
awilla the hun
I am pleased to report that my main antagonist does not suffer from these.
#19 Mar 02nd, 1:42am
awilla the hun
Oh, and giving him fascist/communist/both ideals often helps.
#20 Mar 02nd, 11:42am
Scooz
I think #1 applies to more than just clothing or armor. There is the stereotypical 'dark throne' or 'dark castle', which are black. Their weapons weapons, tables, drape scheme, toothbrushes, etc. are all typically dark/black because black=death, blah, blah, blah, and it has been burned into the minds of people that in order to have the appropriate bad guy, he/she must be dark in every sense of the word. And for reasons unknown, they must have bad hygiene but never get sick.
#21 Mar 28th, 7:04pm

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