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Sophia Victoria
Topic: Horror For Kids
Hello, reader! Just tripped into this forum for kids! I'm sorry if my topic would be pretty stupid and shallow, but . . .

Anyway, what enters in your mind when you see the phrase "horror for kids"?

Typically, this pictures dolls attempting to kill a kid, a crazed mother abusing her child . . . and the child eventually haunts her in another realm. These are the archetypals, but how about some more 'mature' topic? Like the child has a very deep problem (let's say holding a secret that could really alter our modern history books) and has been obliged to hold that burden . . . and share it to the world. But on the child's way, he/ she encounters some terrifying and cryptic experiences that will really creep the child out. . . and the child dies on the process, leaving the antagonist, carrying the 'secret'. . . uh, I haven't made a story like that before. . . maybe sooner. So, what do you think?

x/ Dark Snow Angel /x

#1 Feb 12th 2007, 1:20am
Will Sachiksy
The way I see it, writers for kids have two audiences: kids and parents. I doubt many parents would let their kids read a book that dark (there are exceptions. Look at the latter of the oft-referenced Harry Potter books).

I'd suggest that if you're dead set on writing this, write to an age eight-to-ten or ten-to-twelve bracket.

Horror can work in children's stories, but you should be willing to show at least a somewhat happy ending (e.g. even if a monster is still around, its not going to harm the characters anytime soon).

There are exceptions to every rule.

#2 Feb 12th 2007, 4:41pm
Sophia Victoria
That's the reason why it saddens me! Why do bad guys have to vanished in the ending?
#3 Feb 16th 2007, 2:50am . Edited by Will Sachiksy, Mar 05th 2007, 5:19pm
Will Sachiksy
There may be kids reading this forum. More importantly, there may be parents of kids reading this forum, so please watch what you say.

The problem with horror for kids is that many kids can't handle truly horrific things. There are, of course, exceptions in the audience, but you risk making parents of terrified readers very angry.

Now, there's nothing wrong with writing a story with a child character in a very horrific or mature situation. After all, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn was definitely not intended for children, and Pan's Labryinth is often quite disturbing. Take my advice at your discretion.

#4 Feb 16th 2007, 4:01pm
Sophia Victoria
Oh, I apologized . . .

I guess I just have to stick to the basics. What do you think of a kid being haunted by spirits into persuading the kid to join in some sort of a cryptic rite. Like hieros gamos for instance. It may not be horror. but . . .

#5 Feb 18th 2007, 12:16am
Will Sachiksy
The kid being haunted by spirits to do something for them could work. I actually think I've seen something like that done before to good effect.

The cryptic rite... again, look at your audiences. Just to be safe. And depending on your perspective, the example you gave would definitely be horror.

Again, you're looking at an eight-to-ten or ten-to-twelve age bracket.

#6 Feb 18th 2007, 7:39am
Kumquat21
I don't know. Some of my favorite books when I was a child was the E. Nesbit books, and they were filled with dark rites and such. But she had such a light style, it made magic distroying atlantis seem quite quaint, and charming. And there were parts of the story that scared me rediculously when I was about seven and reading them - stone dinosaurs coming alive and eating people- but my parents encouraged them anyway. Then again, they're very brisk on that sort of thing - they didn't coddle us in the way of censoring literature.
#7 Feb 21st 2007, 4:45pm
Will Sachiksy
Like hieros gamos

I doubt many parents would like their child reading about that example. Another rite, maybe.

I don't like censorship in most contexts. I'm just saying he'll alienate a lot of readers (and especially parent of readers) if he writes about that.

#8 Feb 21st 2007, 5:15pm
Ivory Taint
Horror for kids? Interesting. Somehow, the topic title made me chuckle. Perhaps because I was imagining ways in which writers would attempt to create a scary story. Okay, I just HAVE to do this: "Suddenly the boogey man jumped out and grabbed Little Timmy by the wrists. Little Timmy, in shock and fear, attempted to crawl away from the Boogey Man's clutches, but was instead dragged to the boogey man's dark, secret dungeon in Scaryville. Crying in horror, Little Timmy wished and hoped for sweet liberty. Then, in a sudden and miraculous turn of events, the Brave Man, the Boogey man's righteous arch nemesis and superhero of the world, jumped in to rescue Little Timmy. The Boogey Man was then locked in jail where he belonged and everyone lived happily ever after."

Don't worry. The above plot was intended to be abysmal. :p

In my view, as long as you don't make your stories too graphic, they should be fine for children to read. Everyone has his or her own standards of what's appropriate but I'm sure you'll be able to distinguish the imaginary line that should not be crossed.

Good luck if you decide to act on your idea. Personally, I find it fascinating. Of course, this comes from a girl who has loved horror stories since about ten or eleven years old and read the “Tall-Tale Heart” by Edgar Allan Poe in fifth grade.

#9 Feb 21st 2007, 7:14pm
Sophia Victoria
Really? William is on the other side! Huhu! ^-^
#10 Feb 23rd 2007, 2:36am
Will Sachiksy
All the advice I give on writing is at least nine-tenths opinion. Like I said in my last post, the suggestions I've made were more toward mainstream children's markets. If you want to write your idea, go ahead, but understand that some parents not as open to their children reading about this stuff might be angry at you (they really shouldn't, though. It's the parent's responsibility to look at what the child wants to read before they let him/her read it).

Your going to find an even smaller audience if you use hieros gamos as the rite your character is tangled in.

#11 Feb 23rd 2007, 4:09am
Sophia Victoria
Oh . . . but let's bring the kids to a new generation . . . that would have to be leave on as another topic.
#12 Feb 26th 2007, 3:29am
Agent Awesome
I would categorize the type of book you described as appropriate for an 8-12 year old bracket, as already stated. However, just because a book is listed as a preteen book doesn't mean that younger kids won't read it as well. There are the younger children who are interested in those types of books who do have parents that would allow them to read it. By setting it as an 8-12 book, you are classifying, but not limiting.
#13 Apr 21st 2007, 2:07pm
LamentforGandalf
Do you think a kid's story about Freddy kreuger running a race with Jason voorees would be ok?
#14 Aug 22nd 2007, 10:08am
Plugin2Noise
Hi all, new here, thought this was an interesting debate over audience.

I'd have to say your story outline does remind me very much like Pans Labirynth, minus the fantastical journey... and I would have been thoroughly freaked out by that as a child I think. I liked being scared when I was a kid, but not by realistic things. I loved movies like "Aliens" when I was 10, and sure, it gave me nightmares. But I think had I read a book about a disturbed child who had to hold in a secret for so long it eventually killed them, I don't think I would have ever read a book again. A story about a child that introverted would be hard to write to keep a kids attention (unless it's wildly fantastical like pans labirynth,) and could introduce children to a side of depression that - hopefully - they haven't experienced yet.

I agree something that dark would be best as a book for adults. Kids love the "monster" concept. But monster doesn't have to mean fantastical, it jast has to be the Jabberwock, the personification of a fear. Like a kidnapping, or finding something that a group of people want and will stop at nothing to get, or getting lost in the woods and hunted by a wolves, or trapped in a cave with a bear on a boyscout trip. A badguy focal point -human or other- is key in childrens horror I think.

#15 Aug 30th 2007, 9:10am
SympleSymon
Hey all, just checking into this forum to see if anyone's wondering the same things I am - and, lo and behold!

Anyways, I;m just about to start work on a children's horror much in the vein (pun intended) of the Darren Shan books (although more like the newer Demonata series than his debut Cirque Du Freak series), about a boy who wakes up in hospital from a heavy, life-threatening concussion to discover that he can now see past the Mist, and perceive the creatures that have always existed in our world, just out of our limited perception of reality. Only, the creatures can sense his new presence, too, and they're none too pleased...as he soon finds out when they trap him - and everyone else - within the hospital, picking off people as they try to eliminate their new threat. Trouble is, only the boy can see these monsters and adults, being adults, don't believe him when he says he can see all manner of nightmarish monsters...this slowly changes as, one-by-one, they themselves are eliminated, and the rest are forced to trust in the boy as he attemptsm to lead them safely out of the hospital.

It will be gruesome, as anyone who has read any Darren Shan books will have guessed, but I believe I'm a good enough judge of my own work to know when I'm going to far, so it should be alright. I also have plans for this to become a series of books, revolving around the boy, and an organization he meets soon after escaping the hospital.

What do you all think?

SympleSymon (Dave)

#16 Jan 16th, 6:09pm
Kumquat21
Hmmm . . . that sounds more in the Younge-adult . . . I do like it though! If you want to make it more kid-friendly, I just wouldn't have any of the people 'picked off' be his friends, at least until the end. Good idea, though!
#17 Jan 19th, 7:39am
SympleSymon
Thanks Kumquat, but don't worry. He's doesn't have any friends in the hospital, so the only ones getting picked-off are the unbelieving adults (doctors, orderlies, janitors, etc)...yes, they'll all get what they deserve!
#18 Jan 19th, 8:19am

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