Forgetting Man vs. Society and Man vs. God. Though, when you think about it, thuse two could be classified in man vs. self, but so could man vs machine.

There's a lot of Man vs. Himself intertwined in the Man vs. Man, and Man vs. Society (usually an evil one runed by another man) is pretty common in fantasy too. So is Man vs God... Actually, the only out of that list I havn't seen done at least 5 times in fantasy is Man vs. Nature and Man vs. Machine.

I think Man vs Machine is too much of a sci-fi thing to expect to see much in fantasy. Not saying that all fantasy is ye ol' magic and what not, just that when the focus is on machines, it tends to be classified in sci-fi. Now that I think about it, it's hard to draw a true line between the two genres, even if some people only read one.

But, more rambling still, I have to agree that a villain's not always the answer.

Always liked fantasy and super hero comics quite a bit because they show evil in ways the real world can't. More so, they show darker parts of people's conscience that most people don't aknowledge. They show jelousy in it's purest form, they show the idea of doing something bad just because it's against the rules (don't try and deny that you've stolen a cookie because you were told not to,) and they sort of justify doing thr right thing. Sort of a bit of an ego booster, since you don't sumcumb to those desires.

Coulrophobia - the fear of clowns.

Dysmorphophobia, or body dysmorphic disorder — a phobic obsession with a real or imaginary body defect.

Heliophobia — fear of sunlight.

Hemophobia, Haemophobia — fear of blood.

Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia — fear of the number 666.

Mysophobia — fear of germs, contamination or dirt.

Necrophobia — fear of death, the dead.

Taphophobia — fear of the grave, or fear of being placed in a grave while still alive.

Trypanophobia, Aichmophobia, Belonephobia, Enetophobia — fear of needles, injections or of pointed objects.

Xenophobia — fear of strangers, foreigners, or aliens.

And, I think this must be my favourite of them all (it's not a real phobia, but it would make for a hilarious parody):

Luposlipaphobia — the fear of being pursued by timber wolves around a kitchen table while wearing socks on a newly-waxed floor.

Come to think of it, a villain based after one of the characters from that would either be hilarious...or utterly disturbing.

To quote a line from one of my stories.

"There is a reason why the saying, the road to hell is pave in good intentions, is a cliché.”

i love writing villains cause you can go all out with them. im a sadistic writer, so i could show my sadism through them.

i like handsome and powerful nemesis of the main character..hehe..and that bad guy was just corrupted..then his henchmen were demons or assassins..

i don't like girl villains..if they will be a villain, there should be a relationship between her and the main character..hahaha...

i don't like girl villains..if they will be a villain, there should be a relationship between her and the main character..hahaha..

Why do females always need to go hand in hand with sexuality and romance for it to be enjoyable? :/

Generally speaking, if the villain and the hero have some personal tension between them, it could definitely add sparks to the story. But I don't think such a thing is limited to the female villains alone.

To add my two bits...by personal tension, I would assume you meant "sexual tension" or "romantic tension" or somesuch. It certain makes a story more interesting, but considering the broad range of goodguys/badguys in fantasy worlds, male/female personal tension is just a very small possible part of a storyline.

Enjoyable by whom? It definitely depends on the perspective--in, say a male-oriented 3rd person or 1st person...men seem to notice sexual things more. (shrugs). Nothing to do about that. Nobody said your stories had to be that way, or that you had to read ones like that.

In any case, I ignored that last post entirely because I couldn't understand more than a few words of it.

K

Speaking of "girl" villains, I'd generally find them much more interesting because of their different mannerisms. Example: it's possible to have slim, soft-spoken male badguys, but men are more likely to be large and intimidating with armor and whatnot, whereas unless you have someone like Xena (bad choice, but it works) women would be much more subtle and thus, more effective. Bashing a person on the head isn't nearly as much fun as convincing someone else to do it.

K

by personal tension, I would assume you meant "sexual tension" or "romantic tension" or somesuch

Ha. No. Why would I dislike having the female villains only linked to the male hero by a romantic bond of all things, only to later claim "yes I want the romance yay!"?

Personal tension can be a lot of thing. I did not write sexual. I did not write romantic. Have you heard of friendship? Yes. Platonic love. Those kinds of love are also amazing to see. I don't need to see some kissy kissy. And again, that is if there is a bond between the hero and villain at all.

male/female personal tension is just a very small possible part of a storyline.

Really don't know where you're getting at.

So? I didn't say "OMGAIZ it has to ONLY be about that! Lol". Someone else were speaking about relationships and I added my two cents of the subjects of villain relationships with the hero. I did not say it is the whole story. I did not say it needs to be the whole story. In fact, I did not comment on what could be the story at all.

Enjoyable by whom?

The person I was quoting. Obviously. That is what the quote is for; to signal that I am in fact responding to a previous remark. You see, she did not seem to enjoy the female villain unless she had something romantic going on. Then there are also many others out there that seem to find females boring unless they have some romance tied to them (though I suppose this is because females are tend to be written as boring, unexciting characters. Though I find that adding romance drama on top of such weak characters only makes her less enjoyable.).

Nobody said your stories had to be that way, or that you had to read ones like that.

Who said anything about my stories, your stories or anyone's stories? This thread is to offer a debate and exchange of opinion. I gave mine. I did not even say I read stories like that or write stories like that.

In any case, I ignored that last post entirely because I couldn't understand more than a few words of it.

Look who is talking!

I was the last post, sheesh! And you responded only to my last post! Gosh -.-'' Well, thanks for the compliment regarding my so called illiteracy. Tell me something, how do you ignore what you respond to? May explain why you put words in my mouth. May explain why your reply really had nothing to do with my post (yet I was responded to either way).

Great job, man! Now get off my back.

Next time, if you don't understand something, then either ask or let it be. It's offensive to have words put in one's mouth, especially if they are not ones you agree with.

This is funny... what's going on? I failed to ignore the last few posts because I understood most of it :)

What a difference perspective can make. I misunderstood part of your previous post (which you explained) and you misunderstood part of my reply to your post.

I stand corrected on your definition of personal tension.

Concerning my comment about "male/female being a very small part of a storyline" I was referencing storylines and relationships in fantasy worlds in general, which along with sci-fi are much more open than worlds where strictly "earthly, normal, less-interesting" things occur. It was a general comment, not to anything specific to what you said. Perhaps I should have said, "possible storylines".

"Enjoyable by whom?" As in "audience", whether who you expect to read it or who will read it i.e., generally, I would suspect most men would rather read a story where females go hand in hand with sexuality, whereas women would not...again, my opinion.

"Nobody said your stories had to be that way, or that you had to read ones like that." A statement of fact, probably unnecessary here. Not intended to provoke anger, though obviously it did, and I apologize for that.

As for my comment concerning "that last post", I said that last post. Not your, not the. I was referring to the post before yours, the one that you quoted, which was unpunctuated and arranged in phrases/sentences separated by ellipses rather than any sentence structure, which I prefer...but that's for a punctuation thread or er, something else.

I hope that cleared things up. I don't know how much time you took reading my post--I obviously did not spend enough looking at yours. Perhaps advice for both of us?

Now, I think I've wasted enough space on a thread made for other things.

K.

Well a story is about perspective, and hence why we look at it from particular characters.

Bring it back to topic... hence say if looked at things from a different perspective, the bad guys could so very well be other people. It's just they are considered bad because they are against the characters we're looking at it from. That's considering there aren't pure evil and pure good people that defy everything as it's pretty unrealistic.

Or...an aspect that popped into my head: the character who utterly knows that there is pure good and evil and that s/he's facing it, and the opposing character who's more "realistic" and who denies either extreme. That, I suspect is a source of fanaticism--and while fanatics may be uninteresting as characters because they're so fixated on their one purpose, they are at the same time...more realistic. Or, they could be more interesting because of their fixation. Consider any number of obsessive personalities.

K

In my story about E.S.P., my main villain there aims for perfection. and i really wanted him to be super cunning. (much like joker of dark knight) but i wanted him to be like just pulling the strings. but aslo appears on crucial events. in my opinion, being cunning should be a standard for major villains. but then again, everything depends on the author.

A good villain to me has to be someone who is more likable than the hero. For example in the disney move, I liked Jafar more than Aladin. I loved Jafar's character because he had patience, and had an intention and knew how to get it. A good villain has to be smart and to be searching for something.

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