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sophiesix

ooh ooh! a satellite map with large areas of cloud covering what you haven't decided on yet XD

Ok I'll shut up now

2/20/2010 #211
sophiesix
Have a seat, Em
3/3/2010 #212
sophiesix

don't be shy

alright, how bout i start. i'd really like to write teh rest of my russian story, but can't write chapter three. sigh. there. your turn :)

3/3/2010 #213
sophiesix
oh alrighty then, go write your paper, I suppose I can stomach a bit more data entry :bleeeaaargh:
3/3/2010 #214
lookingwest
i'm here!!!!
3/3/2010 #215
lookingwest
My turn: I really need to figure out WTF I am doing with the setting in INSIWB and why there is modern technology.

And what is this Russian story? Why have I not read it? How can I be of help?! Any specific questions you would like answered?

3/3/2010 #216
sophiesix

well why wouldn't there be modern techmology? humans don't have magic, so they need technology to do their stuff

and why yes! in fact you can help. :ahem: with regards to teh female characters in my russian story (nochnoya lublyu, it was supposed to be a one shot but as usual that didn't last long), I've decided they're a bit weak. Some of them can't really help that, I mean when you're a female prisoner in a male run gulag, the power balance is definately not on your side. I know I know, doesn't mean you have to just sit there and take it... but then it kinda does, else you'll get shot...

3/3/2010 #217
sophiesix
Anyways, so she gets into situations like where someone else is beating her favourite guard up, and seh really ought not to just hide out and not do anything, on teh other hand to help a guard is a pretty sucky thing to do to. the point being, her situation makes it hard for her to be strong. So, I decided I needed another female character, a nice tsrong one, preferably military, maybe one of those spies the KGB trained up, a bit evil knievel and ambitious. only now she seems a bit too tsrong... sigh... women these days, they want everything!!
3/3/2010 #218
lookingwest
*lies down on fainting couch and stares at ceiling*

This all happened because I tried to combine two separate stories. One about a half witch half shapeshifter king named Merlin and his romance with a chic named Harriet in a really modern-day city that's basically like the Cypress I describe, and the onset of war in a world where magic always existed--AND--a story where Merlin was only a shapeshifter, and Harriet was renamed Margot and ONLY a witch...and their romance in a completely made-up fabricated fantasy world.

Then one day I hated both of those stories, and I decided to combine them. I made "Merlin" into two separate characters: Jude and Kit, and then I decided to throw vamps back in because, what the hell, I love to have them around and it was what I did best, XD. Then, I renamed Harriet/Margot Charlotte. Then I took both settings and combined them together without thinking about it before hand.

Now my creative writing professor hates me! :D No...lie, he just dislikes the ambiguity of my setting and time in the story. Which I purposely made ambiguous. So...maybe I'm spearheading a "I DON'T CARE ABOUT SETTING ONLY CHARACTERS" type of literature. I mean, I don't want to focus on setting that much, this isn't a fantasy story. I'm only giving you what the characters see and I suppose I'll have to go into detail about a brief history but I DON'T want to get too detailed. I really don't. That's what makes it not fantasy....

So I'm having major crisis Doc, I've talked it out with my BF and he's helped me sort of realize the major predicaments...but I see no way around them. I don't want to rewrite this story. I like the characters, I don't want to ruin what I have on a count of an ambiguous setting...

END RANT.

3/3/2010 #219
sophiesix
I really don't get where your prof is coming from. you only need enough setting/history/backstory to make teh story make sense, and that you have. Does he not understand that space and time are relative, not constants, and in an AU pretty much meaningless??
3/3/2010 #220
lookingwest
Anyways, so she gets into situations like where someone else is beating her favourite guard up, and seh really ought not to just hide out and not do anything, on teh other hand to help a guard is a pretty sucky thing to do to. the point being, her situation makes it hard for her to be strong. So, I decided I needed another female character, a nice tsrong one, preferably military, maybe one of those spies the KGB trained up, a bit evil knievel and ambitious. only now she seems a bit too tsrong... sigh... women these days, they want everything!!

I like the idea of having the story KGB woman...women did play a huge role in Russia, we didn't talk too much about it in my Women in Russia course but I know they were part of the military--my favorite story was that of "The Night Witches" during WWII, who were female bomber pilots. But not to digress, I feel your pain, as the next chapter with Charlotte has her being rescued finally, instead of her rescuing others. There is a balance but I think as long as you could some how turn the KGB woman into maybe a positive thing somehow...I dunno...eehhh, I wish we had went into more depth with that in my course -_-''. Maybe she could help the guard anyway? Or at least scream a protest but not do anything physical? Or do something more subtle like say something to him afterwards or somehow get back at the guard who beat her favorite guard up by doing something nasty to him....somehow...from prison, xd...uuughh, sorry if that is NO help whatsoever....I'll think about it some more....

3/3/2010 #221
sophiesix
heh heh your prof would Hate apith then; its time and place are completely up in the air. XD
3/3/2010 #222
sophiesix

well seh does help (the prisonner that is, the military type is several thousand kilometres away... although... that could be interesting...) anyways, she does help eventually, but in a weak way, once all the danger has past. Grr. One the other hand, if to help when its dangerous is most likely going to be suicide, then its smart of her... nah, seh's not afraid of death, she just doesn't want to get hit. Hum.

hmm, bomber pilot... when did they start training them? This would be in the thirties you see. maybe seh started out in the airforce but got sucked into teh Cheka for being too smart and pretty lol

3/3/2010 #223
lookingwest
I really don't get where your prof is coming from. you only need enough setting/history/backstory to make teh story make sense, and that you have. Does he not understand that space and time are relative, not constants, and in an AU pretty much meaningless??

We discuss my next chapter, chapter 9, on Friday. So I will raise that in defense. He also has a problem with Charlotte's voice--ever time she said something like "the goddamn street" he'd make a comment and go: WHAT?? MUST DISCUSS VOICE, WHERE IS SHE COMING FROM? (he types in all CAPS, XD). So I think what he means is that he doesn't understand why she's cursing so much and being so direct...I attribute this to him being ignorant of her POV in ch. 3-4, so that should be easy to defend once I explain she's coming from a "lead singer of a rock group" background...

Also he gets confused with Jude. He laughs in the chapter in a place obviously not appropriate and he commented on that and went: WHAT?? NOT CONSISTENT? WHY IS THIS FUNNY? And I was like: :/ Don't question Jude. HE'S INSANE. Jeeez. XD I should be able to defend that...

and finally, he attacked a portion where Charlotte goes, "Hey Kit, looks like Max Malevolent gave us a miracle" (not to spoil, :D) and he commented: DIFFERENT STORY? XD. I have no idea what he means by that! I guess he doesn't remember who Max is...even though I EXPLAINED IT, jeez.

Anyways, point is: I have very many little tidbits I have to defend on Friday morning. Should be a good discussion, it's just prohibiting my writing inspiration right now.

3/3/2010 #224
lookingwest

I dunno, it might be OK to have her help in the weak way, even if it's just helping...I mean, at least she's not doing nothing! I mean, given the situation it would probably have been very stupid of her to intervene anyway, so that just shows smarts?

Night Witch Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Witches

Unfortunately it looks like they weren't in action until 1942....

3/3/2010 #225
sophiesix

OMG he writes in caps. o.o

"I attribute this to him being ignorant of her POV in ch. 3-4, so that should be easy to defend once I explain she's coming from a "lead singer of a rock group" background..." ... and has lived through a war that took her, friends, been emprisoned, been repeatedly assaulted and that's ontop of the rock group background, she's pretty shitty at the world in general XD

3/3/2010 #226
lookingwest
@ Charlotte's voice: I know. I feel Prof. Allen is very intimidated by strong women in general--so Charlotte probably intimidates him, hahaha, the worst part of this whole defending thing is just going to be on the setting. I somehow have to convince them I don't really care, as long as for the moment it's believable. It's just that I'm really, really bad at writing about things i don't know first hand, so when I was writing the fantasy-made-up-story, I was super bad at describing clothing, or time period like how they transported and everything--it was just a nasty deal. I'm better at writing in a contemporary setting--but I plan to ease into the more fantastical idea when I get to Kit's home city ;)
3/3/2010 #227
lookingwest
And I'm gonna have to go :( It's getting super late and I've still got that paper. I apologize for not being so helpful, I may think on it more later tonight...but anyways, thank you for listening to me rant Sophie, I feel better now, getting a little reassurance that things will be okay!
3/3/2010 #228
sophiesix

i guess from her point of view the really strong thing to do would be to just walk away and ignore it - but then he'd be dead, and hse'd be totally soul-less, and she'd die pretty quick after that without him to feed her and stuff, and there'd be no story :/

love how teh night witches have a maximum speed below teh stalling speed of teh german planes!! their defense was being too slow to catch! XD

and in other news, i just got another funny review. I swear this story is the best for funny reviews; "I think ur story is awesome! I love the twists u make in it. U can tell someones a good author when they kill characters."

now, Em, was that you being funny? ;)

3/3/2010 #229
lookingwest
"I think ur story is awesome! I love the twists u make in it. U can tell someones a good author when they kill characters."

Okay, before I do go for realz, I just want to say that is the Top 10 best reviews I've ever heard list! XD

3/3/2010 #230
sophiesix

g'night!

actually the air force idea might be a goer. Schweet, Soviet women were flying in WW1 even. and then there was the Russian Wome's Battalion of death: "The Women's Battalion of Death recruited women between the ages of 13 and 25 and appealed for support in a series of public meetings, enlisting approximately 2,000 soldiers. The Battalion fought during the June Offensive against German forces in 1917. Three months of fighting dwindled their numbers to around two-hundred and fifty." teh rest got exterminated on suspicion of being non communist sympathisers :/

3/3/2010 #231
Anise Cary
see this is what happens when I'm feeling cruddy and go to bed early, I miss the good discussions.

First Sophie, I like Katya as she is. She may be weak in some ways but her sense of self-preservation is high that makes her strong. She is exactly what she should be for the setting (yeah there's that pesky talk of setting xD). I don't think I'd want her to be stronger, at least not yet. I would see her developing that strength as the story moves, strength from the visions/dreams she's having of her friends. She's still in a stage of Survivor's Guilt. That's going to make her second guess herself. I also think her insisting she's staying put and not going on in the last chapter you have posted is a very strong move. Yeah slap my wrist I've been reading and not reviewing, bad me. I do like the idea of another strong woman coming in, maybe someone Katya can begin to emulate in some ways.

now for you Em, your professor's cracked! Ok maybe not, but he sure seems to be. He comments in all caps? What's wrong with him? I like the setting of your story the way it is. I don't think it needs more info, at least not the way he seems to want it which would be more of an info dump and less organic to the story. If you share more as you go great, if not he needs to bite it! I agree though I don't think he truly understands Charlotte and where she's coming from, I would expect her to be a strong woman. BTW you can always refer him to the TIME article on the Benefits of Swearing as back up for why she does. She needs to to endure the pain she's been put through. Scientific studies have even shown cursing is effective for women when it comes to pain endurance. and umm when might the next chapter be up? ;)

ok my turn, see I've got this totally harsh taskmaster of a beta who is just really pushing me..... OK totally kidding, Sophie you are awesome. I love your comments and so need your help. I'm actually surprised you're not ready to smack me with a six foot tall comma since I can't ever seem to remember them. ;) Anyway, the story she's helping me with is one I haven't posted yet. It's told in present time and flashbacks. One of the flashbacks is the after prom...yeah sex scene but I'm just not sure how far to take it (though good news Sophie I think I've figured out a better way to start it and build up to that moment). The characters are 16 & 18 and while I'm well aware that teenagers have sex (yeah the number of pg's in our senior class last year was ridiculous, out of 40 students at least 5 of them had kids or were expecting at grad) I'm not sure I'm comfortable writing them having sex. I mean what words do I use. How far do I carry the narration b4 I let it go and go to the morning after? I'm just struggling with this one. I wrote a scene into Life is Full of Decisions, but it's in first person which made it easier. I'm not sure what to do with the third person, and I don't want to change PoV for just one flashback, I considered it but I think it would have the reader confused. Ok done whining, time to go work on it, see what I can come up with.

3/4/2010 #232
sophiesix

wrist duly slapped ;) then squeezed with happines :D

"her sense of self-preservation" heh heh heh, yeah, sometimes it kicks in, sometimes. when she's not moaning at Nikolai to just let her die ;) I think she feels its more of her duty to try and stay alive, when really if it were up to her, and her friends would leave her alone, she'd really prefer to just go belly up - so much easier. Makes it hard to be strong when your guard wants to live, and teh only way you have of defying him is to try and die :/

but true, maybe it just is her, and seh can get stronger later on. I too also like her decision to stay put, its like the first real defiant decision she's taken and stuck to.:)

and totally, Em, info dump bad, organic setting good :) Plus, leaving teh setting somewhat vague alows teh reader to modify it to their liking, which develops a world more suited to their idiosyncracies. if he lacks imagination, thats his problem.

and how far to go in a sex scene... I have no answers i'm still wondreing this myself. i've had people say my bath scene in First Drawn was at the limits of my rating, and they didn't even do anything! and I've had others be disapointed with a lack of details. Handled honestly, I don't think it should be such a taboo subject. I figure, people can always skip ahead if it gets too heated for them, but on teh other hand you don't want to be writing sttraight porn... and i don't really know where teh balance lies. depends also on teh character: with some characters it ewould feel like a total invasion of privacy to go through a sex scene with them, and with others you'd feel gipped if you were left out. hmmm, that sounds kinda creepy.. XD

but you could try writing it in the first person just for yourself, then use that as a framework for writing teh third person version?

3/4/2010 #233
Anise Cary
oh now that's a good idea Sophie, writing it in 1st then switching it to third, I might have to try it. I stopped for now bc again like I said their teenagers. Yeah when I was a teen that wouldn't have bothered me but now I have former students that are that age and the mere thought of them being sexually active squiks me out. I guess I need to decide on where I'm going for rating. I mean there's not much language, and right now with just the hinting I could prolly put it at T, not that I mind having it at M. Damn it decisions decisions.
3/4/2010 #234
Anise Cary
finally hit a point in a story that I needed to do some research and is actually finding it very interesting, I could spend hours on this. Too bad I didn't do any of this b4 I had my kiddo. researching pregnancy and labor stuff, if I'd only known what pitocin can do to the baby I'd have said no and maybe I wouldn't have ended up with a c-section. Ah well my character's going to, too I think. we shall see. I just want to get all the background before I actually write the scene.
3/4/2010 #235
sophiesix

What's pitocin?

:resists urge to Wiki:

3/4/2010 #236
sophiesix
Oh and Em: how did it go?? do we need to fly over and have a "chat" with this prof, or did you make him see the error of his capitalist ways?
3/4/2010 #237
Anise Cary
pitocin is a drug they give you to start labor, or get it started again if it stalls out, which mine did. Not sure I found all the answers I want, so the question is where to look

yeah Em how's it going with the prof, I wouldn't even need to fly, I could drive, take me a bit but less than a day xD

3/5/2010 #238
lookingwest
I still haven't gone yet, but it'll be in another three hours and I'll have a good assessment. ;) He sent me the feedback, AGAIN in an e-mail and it was the same stuff, XD.
3/5/2010 #239
Anise Cary
seriously does this man have a totally closed mind or what? Really he sounds bitter, like he recognizes you're writing is better than anything he could ever do
3/5/2010 #240
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